Well, anyone got some recommendations on which scope to look at? Honestly, I might just use a vortex spitfire
1x scope recommendations for muzzleloader
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Fixed it for you!
I would also add that you probably had a dad who knew what he was doing
I'm just jealous
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The paper route I started working at 8 years old paid off in spades! No doubt about that. Best $500 I’ve ever spent. Also no doubt about that.
Jealous here also…
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So Niller, who convinced young Niller to buy the LL? We are about the same age and I remember when they were shutting down the program but it never crossed my mind or members of my family to buy one. The idea that deer tags were going to be limited just didn’t enter our minds. I raised show pigs at the time so I could have scratched together the money but again it just wasn’t a priority or even on my radar even as a young hunter. Most guys I know that have the LL were either grown ups who were hard core hunters or wealthy guys and their kids. Most guys my age that have them fall into the second category (nothing wrong with that!). Just wondering if ya have a story to go with it
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I know a lady who purchased everyone of her grandchildren a LL back in the mid 80's even before I purchased mine.
When I got mine that $500 was a lot of money even for a working person that could just go down to the corner and purchase a general season combination license for $34 I believe.
When I got mine that $500 was a lot of money even for a working person that could just go down to the corner and purchase a general season combination license for $34 I believe.
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Airborne, my dad absolutely encouraged my brothers and I to buy them. We have successive numbers in our licenses as a result of that.
I won’t claim pre-deer hunt aged Vanilla had the foresight all in his own. Like Critter said, $500 was quite a bit of cheddar back then and my dad wasn’t going to buy 4 of them. That wasn’t something that was in the cards for my folks.
My dad was encouraging everyone he knew to buy those things when they went off the market. I only know of one other family that did it. The dad of that crew didn’t even deer hunt and the boys didn’t start deer hunting until well into their adult years, closer to when their kids could start hunting. They were bird hunters only. I know of a couple guys that bought it just for the lifetime fishing license, because they did the math and realized that just not having to buy a fishing license each day made it a great lifetime investment. I doubt either of them have ever even considered hunting of any kind, but they enjoy not having to buy fishing licenses still to this day.
So to wrap it, my dad strongly encouraged us to buy these. He was instrumental in that. I’m not sure he had the foresight to know where deer hunting was going at the time, at least I do not remember it being part of the discussion, it was just a wise investment that some of us made and many did not.
So now I’m considering buying a new muzzleloader and hunting in September this year. And yes, I will draw the tag.
I won’t claim pre-deer hunt aged Vanilla had the foresight all in his own. Like Critter said, $500 was quite a bit of cheddar back then and my dad wasn’t going to buy 4 of them. That wasn’t something that was in the cards for my folks.
My dad was encouraging everyone he knew to buy those things when they went off the market. I only know of one other family that did it. The dad of that crew didn’t even deer hunt and the boys didn’t start deer hunting until well into their adult years, closer to when their kids could start hunting. They were bird hunters only. I know of a couple guys that bought it just for the lifetime fishing license, because they did the math and realized that just not having to buy a fishing license each day made it a great lifetime investment. I doubt either of them have ever even considered hunting of any kind, but they enjoy not having to buy fishing licenses still to this day.
So to wrap it, my dad strongly encouraged us to buy these. He was instrumental in that. I’m not sure he had the foresight to know where deer hunting was going at the time, at least I do not remember it being part of the discussion, it was just a wise investment that some of us made and many did not.
So now I’m considering buying a new muzzleloader and hunting in September this year. And yes, I will draw the tag.
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I'm with Airborne in the fact, that never would I believe or think a "shortage" of deer, or permits would ever come to fruition in the state. A group of four buds and I from Jr. High all through college would terrorize the woods, desert, and swamps every year. I don't recall any conversation of buying a LL tag back in the 70's, early 80's.
We still stay in contact and gather for a hunt when possible. (more of a BS and drinks time) I know none of them have a LL.
We still stay in contact and gather for a hunt when possible. (more of a BS and drinks time) I know none of them have a LL.
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The DWR started the LL in 1984, I got mine in 87 and my number is under 300 so it was a very slow seller.
In 93 only 1300 of them had been sold for a average of 130 a year, so the selling of them was picking up.
Right now there are 3549 hunters with a LL, I believe that is is down slightly from the max. But we are getting older. A number of those who hold LL are also Dedicated Hunters.
But still there were only around 2200 of them sold in the last year.
I know a number of people who never got one even when they knew that they were going away. I have talked to construction workers who had a job shut down so that just about all the workers could head down to the DWR office and purchase one, and a few that stayed on the job thinking that there was no reason to have one.
At the time that I picked mine up the regular combination tag was around $34, and I figured that it would take me 15 years to pay it off. Then 6 months after I got mine I moved out of state, it has saved me thousands even if I do have to pay non resident fees for any draws that I put in for.
By the way there are 337 non residents who have a LL.
In 93 only 1300 of them had been sold for a average of 130 a year, so the selling of them was picking up.
Right now there are 3549 hunters with a LL, I believe that is is down slightly from the max. But we are getting older. A number of those who hold LL are also Dedicated Hunters.
But still there were only around 2200 of them sold in the last year.
I know a number of people who never got one even when they knew that they were going away. I have talked to construction workers who had a job shut down so that just about all the workers could head down to the DWR office and purchase one, and a few that stayed on the job thinking that there was no reason to have one.
At the time that I picked mine up the regular combination tag was around $34, and I figured that it would take me 15 years to pay it off. Then 6 months after I got mine I moved out of state, it has saved me thousands even if I do have to pay non resident fees for any draws that I put in for.
By the way there are 337 non residents who have a LL.
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I bought my LL in about 89 if I recall correctly. My number is 586. I was in my early 30’s.
Like Critter said, I did the math on the price, And came up with 15 years of a combo license to get a ROI. My company kept trying to get me to move out of state and go up the corporate ladder. So I figured I would save even more. They never did talk me into moving. They weren’t tricking me. We had made it back home to Cedar, and I wasn’t leaving again. And, I liked running a store.
I had a bonus check in my hand and had heard about the program. I figured if I quit or got fired, at least I would be able to hunt and fish. So I trotted over to the DWR office and bought one.
It worked out in spades for sure. Standing in lines….the draw….. on top of the money saved.
Its not very often I do something right. 😁
But, the blind squirrel found a big nut that one time.
Like Critter said, I did the math on the price, And came up with 15 years of a combo license to get a ROI. My company kept trying to get me to move out of state and go up the corporate ladder. So I figured I would save even more. They never did talk me into moving. They weren’t tricking me. We had made it back home to Cedar, and I wasn’t leaving again. And, I liked running a store.
I had a bonus check in my hand and had heard about the program. I figured if I quit or got fired, at least I would be able to hunt and fish. So I trotted over to the DWR office and bought one.
It worked out in spades for sure. Standing in lines….the draw….. on top of the money saved.
Its not very often I do something right. 😁
But, the blind squirrel found a big nut that one time.
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+1 on blue. Installed my sights, and I had trouble getting the grub screws out at first, they were in pretty good, but I got them out. You may have to do a little sanding to get things to fit properly.
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Get some brake cleaner and use a q-tip to de-grease the screw holes before installing the screws. You should also have a torque wrench for the screws but odds are you don't so don't over tighten them.
Once the screw holes are clean and dry then use the blue Loctie.
Once the screw holes are clean and dry then use the blue Loctie.
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I cant imagine this would ever be allowed. Any officer that sees any kind of magnification printed on the scope is going to issue a ticket and maybe take the rifle as evidence.
There might be a loophole lingering still... I want to see how the final rule is worded in the Field Guide when it comes out.
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Figured I'd toss this here since Irons , and peeps were being discussed. Never a bad idea to go back over the basics.
Front fiber optics can be misleading and screw with your elevation if you treat it like a red dot, which I find, is a natural inclination.
Front fiber optics can be misleading and screw with your elevation if you treat it like a red dot, which I find, is a natural inclination.
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