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I've went through SFWs 2013 990 form a couple times on page 10 Line 24 a, what is the Big game hunts&a permits expense that is listed? It is listed as a $1.1 million expense and then landowners permits are on the next line with an expense of almost $541,000. Habitat improvement is only listed as a $184,000 expense. What are those two giant expenses?

Here's the 990 report:

http://www.sfw.net/data/SFW-990-2013.pdf
 

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Hey oneye,

Vacation and no were to go?

Or has SFW possessed you...........................................:p
 
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( A post I put up on MM, applies here pretty well too....)

A lot of slamming SFW & MDF.....

I would argue its just as much Utah DWR's fault for creating the
situation we are in with the conservation and expo permits..

It looks to me like SFW is becoming a byproduct of the DWR's
motives....JMHO
 

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( A post I put up on MM, applies here pretty well too....)

A lot of slamming SFW & MDF.....

I would argue its just as much Utah DWR's fault for creating the
situation we are in with the conservation and expo permits..

It looks to me like SFW is becoming a byproduct of the DWR's
motives....JMHO
And I'll agree with you, I would even say the DWR is more to blame, they have the power. All I want is transparency, at least on the required funds. This relationship and the amount of information that isn't accounted for has got old,especially after how they just awarded the permits.
 

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Hey 1 eye. A little obsessed are we?
You wouldn't be "Jason Petersen" on facebook would you?
 

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Hey 1 eye. A little obsessed are we?
You wouldn't be "Jason Petersen" on facebook would you?
I haven't yet got involved in the Facebook drama, I read a little bit of it, but I've been obsessing enough on these forums, I don't need more places to keep up with. Between here and MM I can't remember which I've posted which on most the time. I guess I could jump in if you like, then I'll be everywhere you look.
 

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Goof, ridge...why is it a problem if 1-I is possessed or obsessed? Corrupt people, organizations, and governments bank on the fact that 'we the people' will grow tired and move onto the next controversy involving someone else. They bank on us getting fatigued and for us to stop caring, and therefore can continue to get away with whatever they want.

Not everything SFW does is bad. They have done some good things. But I think we all have to agree there are some problems here. 1-I is trying to keep that relevant, instead of the typical 24 hour outrage followed by apathy and moving on and forgetting about it. I tip my hat to him. Don't let it die, 1-I. Keep asking questions. People will start to see what you are seeing.
 

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Goof, ridge...why is it a problem if 1-I is possessed or obsessed? Corrupt people, organizations, and governments bank on the fact that 'we the people' will grow tired and move onto the next controversy involving someone else. They bank on us getting fatigued and for us to stop caring, and therefore can continue to get away with whatever they want.

Not everything SFW does is bad. They have done some good things. But I think we all have to agree there are some problems here. 1-I is trying to keep that relevant, instead of the typical 24 hour outrage followed by apathy and moving on and forgetting about it. I tip my hat to him. Don't let it die, 1-I. Keep asking questions. People will start to see what you are seeing.
I agree. I was on the same trip a year or two back and then felt as if I was just talking to myself. Lost a couple of friends that are big time supporters of the SFW arrangement. While I don't respond to all of 1-I's posts on the subject there are a lot of people that I forward the links to. I am glad he keeps at it.
 

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TS 30,

There are 5 different SFW threads on page one of the big game forum ( UWN }

Lost count of expo/SFW over on MM .......

THAT'S the problem.
 

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TS 30,

There are 5 different SFW threads on page one of the big game forum ( UWN }

Lost count of expo/SFW over on MM .......

THAT'S the problem.
I apologize for the inconvenience.
 

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TS 30,

There are 5 different SFW threads on page one of the big game forum ( UWN }

Lost count of expo/SFW over on MM .......

THAT'S the problem.
Soon enough the UWN will have a ton of new members asking where to put in for their LE hunts and you can have the front page back Goofy.

Patience.
 

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Goof---As opposed to the 15+ different Wasatch cow elk threads you started or contributed to last year? A new question asked on a related topic. I think it's worthy of a new thread. You put a link and a question like this on a single thread that is talking about a lot of different things and it will just get lost in the fray. I guess that is what some people would like to see happen.

I don't think the 5 different threads on the Big Game section on this stuff is the problem. I think the problem lies in the question asked here: Why can't (or won't?) SFW or the DWR account for the majority of the money that is mandated to be used in a certain way? That bothers me a heck of a lot more than 5 threads on an online forum.
 

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I've went through SFWs 2013 990 form a couple times on page 10 Line 24 a, what is the Big game hunts&a permits expense that is listed? It is listed as a $1.1 million expense and then landowners permits are on the next line with an expense of almost $541,000. Habitat improvement is only listed as a $184,000 expense. What are those two giant expenses?

Here's the 990 report:

http://www.sfw.net/data/SFW-990-2013.pdf
Deer, unfortunately having seen first hand how corruption works in government with private entities these two could be most anything. My cousin was the only 4 term governor in the history of LA and served quite a few years in federal prison for his crimes as governor. However the enlightening fact is that between the 3 expenses there is a total expenditure of $1,825,000 with only $184,000 going to habitat improvement (and that could be on private lands no less) which is a paltry 10.1%. I am sure our DWR and state accountants will be all over this (sarcasm). My guess is those two expenditures are their private slush fun but again I am only conjecturing with no proof. A copy of their federal tax return with receipts etc would be the only way to know what those are and where they went.
 

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It is largely the DWR's fault. Do away with all conservation permits.

Don't look now but habitat will do just fine with out our tags going to the highest bidders.

We're the only state that finances conservation groups to this extent. Let them operate on their own merit.
 

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And a mentality like 1-I's that wildlife is threatened and we need to raise more money to save them is a perfect foundation for this kind of corruption.

I've said it for decades now habitat restoration is BS and is the vehicle guys like DP use to fleece hunters.
 

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Goof, ridge...why is it a problem if 1-I is possessed or obsessed? Corrupt people, organizations, and governments bank on the fact that 'we the people' will grow tired and move onto the next controversy involving someone else. They bank on us getting fatigued and for us to stop caring, and therefore can continue to get away with whatever they want.

Not everything SFW does is bad. They have done some good things. But I think we all have to agree there are some problems here. 1-I is trying to keep that relevant, instead of the typical 24 hour outrage followed by apathy and moving on and forgetting about it. I tip my hat to him. Don't let it die, 1-I. Keep asking questions. People will start to see what you are seeing.
I was mainly just razz'in 1-I a little but since you want my option.;-)
I don't think what 1-I is doing is very healthy.
1-I is a very negative person.
Look at his last 2,000 post, 99% of them are of some type, negative nature.
I asked if he was the same person as "Jason Petersen" on facebook because their writing styles are the same and are talking about the same subjects.
Since 1-I is not Jason, I will talk about him to keep myself out of trouble.
I think a person like "Jason" that will not give his "real name" or any background info. about themselves is a pathetic coward.
I have asked 1-I through PMs, what his real name is and what town he lives in and he will not give it out.
Have you guys ever seen a picture of 1-I?
I have no respect for a person that hides behind a "user name", no matter what their cause is.
Like I have said many times before, I think it's great to have a cause like UWC and what Lee is doing. Even Josh with wildlife researches.
But it is unhealthy to be soooo negative all the time and worried, with the "sky is falling" attitude all too often.
I see people doing it all the time with religion and politics too.
 

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I was mainly just razz'in 1-I a little but since you want my option.;-)
I don't think what 1-I is doing is very healthy.
1-I is a very negative person.
Look at his last 2,000 post, 99% of them are of some type, negative nature.
I asked if he was the same person as "Jason Petersen" on facebook because their writing styles are the same and are talking about the same subjects.
Since 1-I is not Jason, I will talk about him to keep myself out of trouble.
I think a person like "Jason" that will not give his "real name" or any background info. about themselves is a pathetic coward.
I have asked 1-I through PMs, what his real name is and what town he lives in and he will not give it out.
Have you guys ever seen a picture of 1-I?
I have no respect for a person that hides behind a "user name", no matter what their cause is.
Like I have said many times before, I think it's great to have a cause like UWC and what Lee is doing. Even Josh with wildlife researches.
But it is unhealthy to be soooo negative all the time and worried, with the "sky is falling" attitude all too often.
I see people doing it all the time with religion and politics too.
Ridge, as much as I love having this conversation with you, I think I'll just let it be. We can go on ten posts about this, or I can just simply say that neglecting the negative side, and always looking on the bright side gets you no where but screwed. I can't remember you PMing me, but it could have been years ago,so you probably did and I've forgot. Don't burden Jason with my idenitity, he surley wouldn't want it. PM me again and I'll have a conversation with you of where I live, what I do for a living, what my name is, etc. if it is that important to you, I don't wish to have you lose any sleep over it. Would you like my mailing address so you can send christmas cards and birthday wishes? Okay ridge, hope you have a good one, and try to look on the bright side today.
 
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And a mentality like 1-I's that wildlife is threatened and we need to raise more money to save them is a perfect foundation for this kind of corruption.

I've said it for decades now habitat restoration is BS and is the vehicle guys like DP use to fleece hunters.
At this point IB, I would be fine with doing away with these permits, it seems it isn't accomplishing the goals it has set out to do. Wildlife no doubt do need habitat IB and I don't want to turn this into that type of back and forth either. So instead of disagreeing, let's agree on the fact getting rid of these tags at this point is fine with both of us. Expo and conservation permits.
 
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