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Sweet bull! Heavy!
 

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What's up with people being impressed with all the "special" tag holders big kills they get in December on the winter range? With an army of guides to boot. Big deal?! Just a thought. Impressive animals yes but unimpressive is how they were harvested.
I'm impressed by the bull, but I'm not impressed with the means by which it was harvested if it was hunted down by some dude who hired an outfitter and an army of spotters. I don't look down on the guy for it, I just don't really stand in awe of him either. My buddy was hunting this bull during the LE Muzzleloader hunt this year. I wish he would've got him instead. Oh, well.
 

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What's up with people being impressed with all the "special" tag holders big kills they get in December on the winter range? With an army of guides to boot. Big deal?! Just a thought. Impressive animals yes but unimpressive is how they were harvested.
Being Impressed?

Watch this video of Ashlee Smith------Unbelievable!
This " special tag " is truly a great story......

 

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It is a great story. Not to take away from the people that harvest these beast. They are doing what is allowed with holding the tag. I would too. I guess I just don't see killing a giant bull or buck on it's winter range as a measuring stick of ones excellence in pursuing game under fair chase circumstances. It's just my opinion, dead animals on winter range just don't do it for me anymore. Congrats though to the hunter, what a trophy.
 

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I don't think I've ever looked at a picture of an animal online and thought, "Wow...that guy/gal sure is a great hunter!" These are never about the hunter, even when they are yours when you do it yourself on a general tag.

This bull is an absolute stud, and I hear pics just don't do it justice.
 

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I don't think I've ever looked at a picture of an animal online and thought, "Wow...that guy/gal sure is a great hunter!" These are never about the hunter, even when they are yours when you do it yourself on a general tag.

This bull is an absolute stud, and I hear pics just don't do it justice.
Eh, I dunno. Different strokes for different folks I guess. When I see hardcore DIY guys (Sean Morgan for example) hammering studs year after year I feel a sense of respect for their skills and their dedication to their craft. I don't fall at their feet and worship them or become their biggest fan boy, but I do feel impressed at what they are able to accomplish. I bet they feel a hell of a sense of accomplishment when it all comes together.
 

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Sometimes I feel like we hunters are similar to farmers at a livestock show. We oooo and aaahhh over an impressive animal and that's that. It's really all we have to measure the success of a hunt which is too bad. I don't know anything about what went into this hunt, how hard the hunter worked or the dedication it took. Without that knowledge we can't confuse one with the other, all we can do is appreciate the animal.

At the same time we shouldn't assume that a trophy animal killed with a special tag was easy and a cake walk anymore than we should assume a trophy killed with a general season tag was a Herculean effort. So that is where we sit, on the front row of a livestock auction admiring the genetic traits of an animal that we deem impressive. We hunters are a weird bunch!
 

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Eh, I dunno. Different strokes for different folks I guess. When I see hardcore DIY guys (Sean Morgan for example) hammering studs year after year I feel a sense of respect for their skills and their dedication to their craft. I don't fall at their feet and worship them or become their biggest fan boy, but I do feel impressed at what they are able to accomplish. I bet they feel a hell of a sense of accomplishment when it all comes together.
I don't even know the hunter's name in this picture. How on earth would I know what he has done to be dedicated to his craft? I get what you're saying, to an extent. I have no issue respecting what guys out there do. But things aren't always what they seem online. I assure you I don't have enough information to make the call on if someone crosses that threshold of "earning it" on each hunt or not. Whatever that arbitrary line might be...
 

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Awesome bull and of course I would love a chance to HUNT something like this once in my life. I am sad it had to be KILLED that way. Sure the guy is way stoked, but everyone would agree that it would have been more of a hunt if it was in the fall and not dead of winter. Don't get me wrong, I love getting a cow elk on the late hunts but they do lack something. My elk of a life time will be a public hunt during the fall without an army of guides even though I would be wishing I had them when I am hauling the beast out.
 

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So how was it actually killed? What kind of tag did the hunter have? For all we know the hunter may of had a late season LE tag and packed in a number of miles to shoot him by his self when all his buddies baled out on him. Right now all we know is that the bull was killed, kudos to the hunter I am sure that he had a great time. Anything else is just speculation on our parts until the whole story comes out.

Some on here sound like old hens and I think that they are pissed off that they didn't have that tag or the opportunity to take such a nice bull
 

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Man, some guys must put way more thought into this stuff than I do. My reaction is like, "whoa, cool bull." On to the next post. For all I know he might have hit it with his truck.------SS
 

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Eh, I dunno. Different strokes for different folks I guess. When I see hardcore DIY guys (Sean Morgan for example) hammering studs year after year I feel a sense of respect for their skills and their dedication to their craft. I don't fall at their feet and worship them or become their biggest fan boy, but I do feel impressed at what they are able to accomplish. I bet they feel a hell of a sense of accomplishment when it all comes together.
One could argue that Sean inherited a great spot from his dad. Public land DIY requires a spot. He has had a great spot since day 1. Does that take away from his accomplishments? Heck no. He puts in hours(weeks/months) of work. But one could argue anyone could go to that same spot and kill a big buck.

Guides or not, harvesting a big animal takes work. These "Special" tags are still on public land. You don't just drive up to the animal. The amount of work might be reduced, or your chance at a large animal is increased, but you still have to work to get the shot, and succeed at it.

It was said a hunter was after this on the LE Muzzleloader. He had a "special" tag (isn't LE special? I sure as hell can't get one). He was chasing this animal during part of the rut. Is he a bad hunter for not harvesting it? No... They take work all the same.
 
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