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President-elect Biden has indicated he will rejoin the Paris Climate Accord, the Iran Nuclear deal, support NATO and our allies, not suck up to our adversaires, support the WHO, etc. In short, he'll be focusing on undoing the damage done by the Dumpster. Think he'll get around to restoring Bears Ears to its original boundaries? Sure hope so, though he has a lot on his plate.
 
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I was wondering how long it would take for something like this to come up. Apparently not long! Maybe he should just do away with the designation entirely and save some more tax money.
 

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The law on creating national monuments is clear, it states it must be:

"the smallest area compatible with the proper care and management of the objects to be protected."

Obama over reached, what he allocated was too big. There were over 100,000 acres of private lands within the boundry he created. Trump was right to reduce the overall size.

There is no legal basis for Biden to increase the current boundary.

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The law on creating national monuments is clear, it states it must be:

"the smallest area compatible with the proper care and management of the objects to be protected."

Obama over reached, what he allocated was too big. There were over 100,000 acres of private lands within the boundry he created. Trump was right to reduce the overall size.

There is no legal basis for Biden to increase the current boundary.

-DallanC
Except the Antiquities Act, of course. It has been challenged many times in court and upheld every time. There was no legal basis, either in the language of the Act or in case law, for reducing the boundary.
 

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The problem with the Antiquities Act is that those who are going to take the artifacts are going to take them even if it is a National Park.

It's like saying that a bank robber can not rob a bank because there is a law against it.
 

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The problem with the Antiquities Act is that those who are going to take the artifacts are going to take them even if it is a National Park.

It's like saying that a bank robber can not rob a bank because there is a law against it.
That's a repetition of the tired old argument, as in, people often exceed speed limits, does that mean we shouldn't have them?
 

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Biden will be too busy switching us over to Socialism for a while.
Then he will take care of things like Bears Ears.
 

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A speeding ticket isn't worth thousands of dollars on the black market.

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So, is it your position that removing the protections of public lands afforded by the Antiquities Act would be a good thing? There are laws against looting artifacts already, the Act doesn't attempt to address that issue. People have been prosecuted and penalized, but there will always be those who will violate laws for thirty pieces of silver.
 

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We move from one wedge issue to the next with such rapidity.

It is interesting seeing a thread in which you ignore/block the OP. It's like reading a book with missing chapters but the plot is unaffected and still predictable.
 

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When I was a younger man Mrs Goob and I hiked down there........uh....actually I just wanted to jump in before the thread gets locked....:cool:


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They will give everyone, everything for free !!!
Those of us that worked our butts off our whole lives, payed our dues, and contributed to society will have to pay for it.
Why work ??
 

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When I was a younger man Mrs Goob and I hiked down there........uh....actually I just wanted to jump in before the thread gets locked....


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I'm not sure I believe you were ever young. You seem like one of those ageless time travelers in a sci-fi show/movie made in a nordic country (15 months of darkness does wonders for creativity). I'm an old man at heart so I get it. I just get the sense you've been a vagabond wandering the Uinta mountains since the 19th century and we will likely find photos of trappers from that era that look just like you. My best evidence: the recipes.
 

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Why work ??
C'mon man! We have to work on unity, we're going to need it. We elected a guy who can't remember what state he's in, dropped out of school due to plagiarism, has a son with verified videos of him with meth, cocaine and professional women he's doing it with. His VP giggles when she's asked serious questions and runs rallies while drunk. This is going to be rough, we need to get behind these people and help them or we're literally going to burn. Unity!
 

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I think we are all very concerned about the politics of America right now. And I'm sure we all have input on the matter, but we appreciate the responsible and respectful attitudes of our members who have abstained from posting about political topics that are outside the scope of this forum.

If you would like to comment on politics, feel free to join any of the many political forums available. But please continue to avoid this here.

Regarding censorship: this is indeed a private forum as was mentioned. If you dont like the rules, feel free to write forum ownership. There is a reason this forum is so successful, and that is the consistent respect our members show each other and when that respect is revoked by violating forum rules that others strive to honor, then it is time to move on.

Although we have our differences of opinion on varying outdoor topics, you've done a great job of keeping respectful tones. Please continue to make UWN a place worth visiting.
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So, what do you all think about Bears Ears? Now that it's possible to restore the original boundaries as set forth by Obama, do you think it would be a good idea to do so?

I think I remember a post about Stewart's proposal to create a smaller National Park in the area, but the poster, IIRC, said it was a wolf in sheep's clothing. I'm not familiar with the details, but would prefer the restoration of the original NM boundaries instead of a smaller National Park. Thoughts?

PS. I won't be the reason this thread gets locked if that comes to pass. Politics very much impacts our ability to enjoy our outdoor pursuits, I'll continue to focus on those impacts.
 
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