[Bux n Dux]

If I remember correctly it was even floated to apply under a deceased family member's name to acquire the benefit of their points in a group application. Beyond the issue of fraud it tries to turn the points into something they are not, ie property.

Life would be more enjoyable for you, if you didn’t take everything that strangers said on the internet, so seriously. You would probably be able to make some friends and not just be a hermit google nerd.

it’s hard not to feel like you own bonus points when you have invested more than half your life, playing and investing in the system, for the possibility of obtaining 1 tag in your lifetime through it. While your statement might be correct, I’d bet if you took a poll on how guys feel about it that are sitting at 15+ points for 1 or more species, you’d find that most people do feel like it’s an investment and that those points are property that they own. I’m certain it’s hard for you to wrap your mind around that since you have, 3 points for big game?

 

[Vanilla]

The points thing is going to be interesting to see play out.

And the fallout will give guidance for how any changes to the big game system would be handled.

 

[backcountry]

The points thing is going to be interesting to see play out.

And the fallout will give guidance for how any changes to the big game system would be handled.

Yeah, it's a tough one. They'll have a tightrope act trying to implement the new law while also trying to work with those who have existing points.

Are you aware of how other states have handled elimination of such a draw in the past? Any lawsuits that managed to move forward despite the fact the state & agencies explicitly stated points aren't property? Every state is different but it would be interesting to see anything that might overlap.

These type of situations can be like trying to put the genie back into the bottle. I wonder if there is any real institutional knowledge from the lifetime license mistake the state made in the past. It's not a perfect analog but it's not easy to reverse course once these programs are started.

 

[fobit]

I grew up in the 60s and 70s when cougars could be shot anytime, just like coyotes today. There were still cougars in Utah back then, but there were no conflicts with cougars.

 

[bowgy]

Sorry if this was posted somewhere else already.

Looks like you can hunt cougars year round with just your hunting license, no cougar permit required. Am I reading this right, my legislator said it is so. I have a call into the Southwestern manager of DWR.

HB0469

le.utah.gov

 

[bowgy]

Thanks for moving my post, I am usually late for the game.

 

[Critter]

Thanks for moving my post, I am usually late for the game.

No problem, it did take me a while to remember how to move and merge threads.

Must be a senior moment.

 

[backcountry]

Sorry if this was posted somewhere else already.

Looks like you can hunt cougars year round with just your hunting license, no cougar permit required. Am I reading this right, my legislator said it is so. I have a call into the Southwestern manager of DWR.

HB0469

le.utah.gov

Good on ya for having the initiative to call DWR directly. I hope you learn something insightful. If so, please share here again. Extra clarity never hurts.

 

[Bux n Dux]

Governor ignored the voice of the people and signed the bill yesterday. Lions are fair game for anyone with a hunting license in the not so distant future

 

[middlefork]

Governor ignored the voice of the people and signed the bill yesterday. Lions are fair game for anyone with a hunting license in the not so distant future

Only some. The joy of of a democratic republic.

Other than the way it came down I fail to understand the opposition. Nothing in the bill precludes the DWR setting regulations on the take of cougars. Are you apposed because you no longer have to pay a added fee to hunt them? HO is still a thing.

 

[Vanilla]

Governor ignored the voice of the people and signed the bill yesterday. Lions are fair game for anyone with a hunting license in the not so distant future

Not really. I’m a person, he didn’t ignore me. I contacted him and specifically asked him to sign it and then give the Wildlife Board instructions to utilize their powers to make rules governing the take of cougars.

This bill has one flaw in the process of how cougars will be hunted, but otherwise is a very strong bill for Utah hunters and anglers. It’s odd to see some hunting groups (cough…MDF…cough…cough) and other hunters team up with anti-hunters to try and prevent groundbreaking appropriation from being delivered to us all.

I hate how the cougar thing went down only because it was slipped in at the last second, but not that the legislature did it. It’s their power to do so. Just like it’s their power to appropriate lots of money for hunting and fishing, and they FINALLY did it, and supposed hunters and conservation groups want the governor to veto it.

Don’t forget who did this people. I know I won’t.

 

[MrShane]

New Cougar rule=more hunting opportunities.

 

[Vanilla]

$1m per year of ongoing, non-lapsing funds earmarked only for fish and wildlife habitat and acquisition for public use = more hunting and fishing.

This is a big deal! And what the bill was about before the cougar stuff got slipped in at the 11th hour. I can’t believe hunters and hunting organizations actually asked the governor to veto that. Crazy times, for sure!

 

[bowgy]

Good on ya for having the initiative to call DWR directly. I hope you learn something insightful. If so, please share here again. Extra clarity never hurts.

He didn't call me back, I will have to follow up. My legislator did text me back and it goes into effect on May 3, 2023

 

[DallanC]

New Cougar rule=more hunting opportunities.

Everyone gets to carry a rifle now when out deer hunting if you have a deer tag or not.

-DallanC

 

[bowgy]

Everyone gets to carry a rifle now when out deer hunting if you have a deer tag or not.

-DallanC

Always did, second amendment.

 

[buck]

Well as you all know, the bill passed. Came across this article while looking for something to read during lunch.

New bill makes mountain lion hunting open year-round

Utah governor signs law removing season restrictions

www.gohunt.com

 

[middlefork]

" removing management of mountain lions from the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources (UDWR)"

Much like the MDF letter this is almost a verbatim quote and is not correct. Nothing in this bill removed management of cougars or cougar hunting from the DWR's control. It did remove the requirement for a special license and seasonal restrictions.

Did the DWR get blindsided? Yes, but they can figure out how they can move forward under the restriction.

 

[buck]

" removing management of mountain lions from the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources (UDWR)"

Much like the MDF letter this is almost a verbatim quote and is not correct. Nothing in this bill removed management of cougars or cougar hunting from the DWR's control. It did remove the requirement for a special license and seasonal restrictions.

Did the DWR get blindsided? Yes, but they can figure out how they can move forward under the restriction.

I was curious about that line, so thanks for clarifying. I hadn’t dug into the bill, but I was surprised when I read that it had been “removed from the DWR”

 

[Vanilla]

Too many people regurgitating one-liners that haven’t actually read the bill itself or know how any of this process works.


I already illustrated this, but it is right in the law that says those with a hunting license can hunt cougars from Jan 1 through December 31 subject to state code and wildlife board rules. It literally is directly next to the part that talks about the hunting cougars under a general hunting license now.