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How many bulls do you have to grow in order to produce one that reaches the 400 class? What must one do to the population of elk or deer to get the most inches out of it? We have done just that. There are many arguments past and present in what must be done in order to reach such high demand. Elk are a premium example of what to do in order to get the biggest grown. Limit opportunity. Deer are about the same, everyone claims in order to grow big bucks in the state of Utah is to pass on the small ones, where in the elk world the only thing we are able to shoot are the small ones, while 50% of the herd (mature bulls) are protected and a Limited amount of tags are given for this population. This limits opportunity. We have both sides of the spectrum. Ample opportunity (deer) and limited opportunity (elk). We need to start calling the elk hunt what it is, A once in a lifetime.

I400 wants to take the two and combine them, giving more opportunity, while maintaining quality. Thw Wasatch Front is a prime example for this. Giving out more short range weapon tags is win/win! It is the future of hunting. It takes way too many wated animals to get that perfect one. We need to step up and do something about it. Habitat is shrinking and so are the elk/deer herds. The elk population will NEVER get to its potetial while this limited plan is going on.

Not even so much because of the plan but due to the fact ranchers, cattle and sheep control too much of the descision making going on. If they do not have grazing they bitch and moan. Then when winter comes and the elk/deer move down onto "their" land they bitch and moan. What is a elk or deer to do? They are competing directly with cattle and sheep. As soon as the population gets to a certain spot, the DNR has no choice but to take it out on the cow elk and the does, thus limiting the herd size. Now white tails are moving in and that means one less mule deer. What happens if that one mule deer is a doe, how does that limit our herds???

I believe the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Pass on small ones and limit how many big ones you shoot. Plus fight the cattlemen on the RACS and get them out of power. Let the hunters choose how and when they hunt. The rest is BS. Just venting, plus I have not posted in a while. I400 is a goog solution. Could be the answer for a better deer population too. Thoughts? :mrgreen:
 

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Wow for not posting for a lot you needed to stir things up a little. *()* You know how I feel about I 400 so we wont go there. As for deer well I do not see much problem with the herds in the places I hunt. Plenty of deer big and little. Do we need to do more for sure. Is I 401 (deer management plan) the answer maybe.
 

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So Weatherby hunts the Northern Region. Plenty of large and small bucks for everyone, I would be willing to bet someone has a opnion different than that. On a side note Weatherby hunts a part of the Wasatch.
 

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On side note to that. Been spending a lot of time in Logan scouting for a friends LE hunt. The deer there suck bad. Lots of little ones but have seen only a few 4 points. Do we need an I401 you bet. Have no doubt my spot will crash.
 

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I hunt Southeastern, and I have seen plenty of big and little deer. It seems to me that I'm seeing more and more big deer down there though. But I'm no game managment coordinator/biologist. That is just what I see. I do agree that we need to limit the grazing and take back some of the power from the ranchers. I would hate to see cattle/sheep win out over such majestic animals like deer and elk. I do think something needs to be done or the future could look bleak for my children.
 
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