Can't Go to Utah State Parks Unless you live in the same couty

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Kbx

Discussion Starter · Mar 28, 2020

This was upsetting hearing about this tonight. It drastically reduces the amount of options and bodies of water since you are no longer allowed to visit state parks outside of the county you reside in. Any guesses on how long this will last? Will Utah reimburse boat registrations if it extend for a significant period of time?

https://coronavirus.utah.gov/full-text-governors-stay-home-stay-safe-directive/

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taxidermist

· #2 · Mar 28, 2020

You wont see any reimbursement I'm sure. The State isn't in the business of "giving money back".

I'm not a negative nelly, or trying to create panic but, I don't see any of us going back to the way of life before the virus broke out for at least 3 months at the soonest. I prey I'm wrong!

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dubob

· #3 · Mar 28, 2020

Kbx said:
Any guesses on how long this will last? It will last until April 13, 202 at 11:59 PM, unless it is extended before that time.

Will Utah reimburse boat registrations if it extend for a significant period of time?

You can't possibly be serious in asking that question. Utah? Give money back? Now that's funny, right there.

Bodies of water OTHER than State Parks are still open to fishing.

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High Desert Elk

· #4 · Mar 29, 2020

At least you get to go hit the water in the county you live in. I can't even do that...

OverTheEdge

· #5 · Mar 29, 2020

Maybe they could at least give current park pass holders a discount on next years pass based on the number of months Parks were closed. Would be pretty easy to do. Just present your current pass at the time of renewal and get some sort of predetermined discount for the number of months you couldn't use the parks. Maybe I'm dreaming, but seems like a fair and easy way of doing it.

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High Desert Elk

· #6 · Mar 29, 2020

My guess is most states will start to lighten up on the outdoor restrictions in another month. Warm weather is going to make a lot of people want to go out and do something, colder weather makes you stay in more keeping the chances of contamination high. UV light kills this bug and fresh air won't do anyone any harm. Only so much yard work you can do, unless you're my backyard neighbor anyway...

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Vanilla

· #7 · Mar 29, 2020

dubob said:
Bodies of water OTHER than State Parks are still open to fishing.

And to be clear, different portions of the same body of water are still open to out of county residents. Launch at Lincoln Beach and you're fine at Utah Lake as a non-Utah County resident. Just don't launch at the state park. (Just as an example)

dubob

· #8 · Mar 29, 2020

Look at this way; instead of thinking -"I can't fish any State Parks" - start thinking - "I can fish ANY Utah water except a State Park." Be positive, not negative, about your options. Life is always better that way. :grin:

And yes, Utah Lake is 99.99% open to fishing. There is only an acre or two of the lake that you can't fish immediately adjacent to the land portion of Utah Lake State Park. Most, if not all, Federal lakes are still open. Rivers are still open. Community ponds are open unless a community/local government agency has closed them.

It ain't the end of the world folks.

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dubob

· #9 · Mar 29, 2020

OverTheEdge said:
Maybe they could at least give current park pass holders a discount on next years pass based on the number of months Parks were closed.

You can't possibly be serious. Utah? Offer a discount? Now that's funny, right there.

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shaner

· #10 · Mar 31, 2020

Can someone smarter than me chime in if this poorly made and uneducated decision is even within the Constitution of the United States of (previously known as a free country) America?

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Vanilla

· #11 · Mar 31, 2020

shaner said:
Can someone smarter than me chime in if this poorly made and uneducated decision is even within the Constitution of the United States of (previously known as a free country) America?

What provision of the US constitution is implicated here? Which right is being violated by the state?

middlefork

· #12 · Mar 31, 2020

The right to peaceably assemble?

And why do we concentrate usage to non affected waters? Just asking for a friend.

Vanilla

· #13 · Mar 31, 2020

middlefork said:
The right to peaceably assemble?

Nah. No right is absolute, and time, place and manner restrictions have been a part of the 1st Amendment for many, many moons.

shaner

· #14 · Mar 31, 2020

Vanilla,
My question is:
Does not being able to freely travel to property I own violate any of my Constitutional rights?

Jedidiah

· #15 · Mar 31, 2020

Man, this is the worst. Unless you have to watch your parents or grandparents drown on air. That feels like it might be worse.

Vanilla

· #16 · Mar 31, 2020

shaner said:
Vanilla,
My question is:
Does not being able to freely travel to property I own violate any of my Constitutional rights?

I'm not sure which directive prevents you from freely traveling to property you own?

However, the government has more broad powers during times of emergency. So in extreme circumstances, travel restrictions would be upheld as constitutional if there is a rational basis for them. I think the current circumstances would provide a rational basis for travel restrictions. But depending on where you live vs where your property is, I'm not sure there is a travel restriction in place.

dubob

· #17 · Mar 31, 2020

shaner said:
Vanilla,
My question is:
Does not being able to freely travel to property I own violate any of my Constitutional rights?

I haven't checked all of the County Health Orders, but those that I have read all say the same thing; you are free to travel through the county. But staying in the county if you are NOT a resident of that county is restricted or forbidden. I would guess from your description that the property you own and want to travel to is not your residence property. So the question to be answered for you would be does the county in which your non-residence property is located restrict non-residents from staying in that county. The two I'm aware of at this time that do that are Summit and San Juan. There may be others. And I'm also of the opinion that these Health Orders do not violate any constitutional authority - State or Federal. But none of the orders have been challenged in court to the best of my limited knowledge; not do I expect them to be challenged.

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middlefork

· #18 · Mar 31, 2020

Well if nothing else it is a good excuse to not mow the lawn. After all you have to stay inside. Wouldn't want to spread those germs over the backyard fence.

bowgy

· #19 · Mar 31, 2020

shaner said:
Vanilla,
My question is:
Does not being able to freely travel to property I own violate any of my Constitutional rights?

That is a pretty good question, if your residence is in one county but you own a mountain cabin in another county, can you go to your cabin to self isolate?

For instance, owning property in another county doesn't give you the right to vote in that county but paying taxes to said county should give you some rights.

shaner

· #20 · Apr 1, 2020

I own Strawberry, as do you and everyone on this forum.
All of us also own a share in every State Park.

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