Can't Go to Utah State Parks Unless you live in the same couty

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Kbx

Discussion Starter · Mar 28, 2020

This was upsetting hearing about this tonight. It drastically reduces the amount of options and bodies of water since you are no longer allowed to visit state parks outside of the county you reside in. Any guesses on how long this will last? Will Utah reimburse boat registrations if it extend for a significant period of time?

https://coronavirus.utah.gov/full-text-governors-stay-home-stay-safe-directive/

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CrayDad

· #41 · Apr 2, 2020

Since Strawberry res is not an option right now does anyone recommend Fish Lake or Electric Lake? Never been to either but I'm not sure if the roads are clear this time of year.

shaner

· #42 · Apr 3, 2020

Jedidiah, not sure how your mind works but a definition of rape is:
‘An outrageous violation’.
That is how I feel about my Rights now.

Vanilla

· #43 · Apr 3, 2020

shaner said:
Jedidiah, not sure how your mind works but a definition of rape is:
'An outrageous violation'.
That is how I feel about my Rights now.

I really think you have a misunderstanding about what "rights" you truly have. That is probably the biggest cause of your frustrations right now. A better understanding about what is a "right" and what isn't would alleviate a lot of angst.

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WhiskeyLens

· #44 · Apr 3, 2020

dubob said:
Look at this way; instead of thinking -"I can't fish any State Parks" - start thinking - "I can fish ANY Utah water except a State Park." Be positive, not negative, about your options. Life is always better that way. :grin:

And yes, Utah Lake is 99.99% open to fishing. There is only an acre or two of the lake that you can't fish immediately adjacent to the land portion of Utah Lake State Park. Most, if not all, Federal lakes are still open. Rivers are still open. Community ponds are open unless a community/local government agency has closed them.

It ain't the end of the world folks.

Please excuse this somewhat of a dumb question, I feel like you guys already answered this but I would rather ask a dumb question and be clear than be fined. I live in Utah County and fly fish the Provo. I know the boundary line for Utah county is the tunnels up Provo canyon. Am I limited to only that lower half of river? Can I fish up by say the middle Provo outside of Heber? Is this lockout only limited to State Parks? The provo river isn't a state park I don't believe but it does have state parks periodically about. Thank you for any help you are anyone may be able to provide, appreciate it!

shaner

· #45 · Apr 3, 2020 (Edited)

Vanilla,
Maybe.
I just enjoy a spirited conversation as I sort through my feelings.
I have been doing the same as you in the last month:
Extra friendly to store clerks.
Extra waves to everybody.
Extra phone calls to family/friends.
Phone calls to people in my neighborhood I wouldn’t normally call to offer any assistance I might be able to provide.
Extra courtesy to people in traffic.
Up until three days ago I’ve been taking people I know who were stressed out to go shoot and fish.
I’ve been helping people fix their sprinklers at no charge so they could garden earlier than normal.
I’ve been giving away shop supplies so people could tinker on their mechanical equipment for stress relief.
Etc.
I don’t plan to stop being so friendly and in fact I’m going to ramp it up more.
I will admit to one grudge I will not let go of though.
When things go back to normal I will remember the counties that only wanted me when times were good. My wallet will stay closed as much as possible. I am frugal and will go to the trouble to pack full fuel containers and an extra cooler of food bought in my hometown at stores that welcomed me when times were bad.
Counties in Utah should share the same wedding vows as husband and wife, ‘stay together through good times and bad’.
I am very lucky that I was able to retire last fall at age 51.
This was supposed to be the ‘Year of Shane’ and it is frustrating to have my summer start off so crappy with the travel restrictions.
I live in Riverton and my walleye boat loves to be in Deer Creek, Willard Bay, and Starvation.
What do all three of these lakes have in common? No private boat ramps, State ramps only...
And now, the Guv wants me to stay on my little half acre.
Anyways, I’ve probably bored you all to death with my personal problems but I want to leave on a positive note:
Only six months till waterfowl season, and my puppy ‘Bolt’ will turn one next week.
I rescued him at six months old and have spent a lot of time with him.
Thanks to him I did not lose a single pheasant or duck in ‘19.

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Vanilla

· #46 · Apr 3, 2020

shaner said:
I will admit to one grudge I will not let go of though.
When things go back to normal I will remember the counties that only wanted me when times were good. My wallet will stay closed as much as possible. I am frugal and will go to the trouble to pack full fuel containers and an extra cooler of food bought in my hometown at stores that welcomed me when times were bad.
Counties in Utah should share the same wedding vows as husband and wife, 'stay together through good times and bad'.

Trust me shaner, you and I don't disagree on this topic! I think the notion of "We will continue to go out and enjoy these public lands ourselves, but you guys have to stay away" is a very dangerous precedent. I said that from day one when this issue arose.

If the situation truly calls for people to "stay home," it should apply to all equally. Once we start deciding who is worthy to utilize public resources and who is not based upon zip code, we're playing a dangerous game. This game of "ours and yours" won't work out for anyone. I said that on the early thread on this topic, and I still feel that way.

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Vanilla

· #47 · Apr 3, 2020

PS- way to go on the pooch! Nothing like bird hunting with a fine dog that is a member of the family.

backcountry

· #48 · Apr 3, 2020

Vanilla said:
shaner said:

I will admit to one grudge I will not let go of though.
When things go back to normal I will remember the counties that only wanted me when times were good. My wallet will stay closed as much as possible. I am frugal and will go to the trouble to pack full fuel containers and an extra cooler of food bought in my hometown at stores that welcomed me when times were bad.
Counties in Utah should share the same wedding vows as husband and wife, 'stay together through good times and bad'.

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Trust me shaner, you and I don't disagree on this topic! I think the notion of "We will continue to go out and enjoy these public lands ourselves, but you guys have to stay away" is a very dangerous precedent. I said that from day one when this issue arose.

If the situation truly calls for people to "stay home," it should apply to all equally. Once we start deciding who is worthy to utilize public resources and who is not based upon zip code, we're playing a dangerous game. This game of "ours and yours" won't work out for anyone. I said that on the early thread on this topic, and I still feel that way.

It's not a game. It's not about "ours or yours". It's a very serious choice to slow the spread of the most dangerous pandemic of our lifetimes or last century. Health Departments and governments are charged with the difficult task of doing what's in their means to protect their citizens from this unfortunate outbreak.

These measures are temporary and targeted at stopping the spread. It's not about who is worthy; it's about recognizing people traveling in and out of their home areas pose a unique risk to citizens of the county or health district.

We can disagree on the merits of how they rolled out these orders but that doesn't mean these counties are sincerely trying to stop the spread of Covid-19. I myself am not sure how they will enforce such closures to citizens outside their counties but I recognize these professionals are trying their best, even if imperfectly.

Shaner, I'm sorry this overlapped with your first year of retirement. That sucks. You obviously have the freedom to boycott counties based upon these measures. But we can choose to see this as us being locked out or we can choose to see this as an opportunity to protect our fellow citizens to the fullest extent possible. This will be temporary and we will get back to recreating on public lands. But we get to know we are safe and keeping others safe by staying home. It's the only way we know we prevented spread.

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WhiskeyLens

· #49 · Apr 4, 2020

Still learning this forum, probably should have posted it in a separate thread. Sorry for the double post:

Please excuse this somewhat of a dumb question, I feel like you guys already answered this but I would rather ask a dumb question and be clear than be fined. I live in Utah County and fly fish the Provo. I know the boundary line for Utah county is the tunnels up Provo canyon. Am I limited to only that lower half of river? Can I fish up by say the middle Provo outside of Heber? Is this lockout only limited to State Parks? The provo river isn't a state park I don't believe but it does have state parks periodically about. Thank you for any help you are anyone may be able to provide, appreciate it!

middlefork

· #50 · Apr 4, 2020

WhiskeyLens said:
Still learning this forum, probably should have posted it in a separate thread. Sorry for the double post:

Please excuse this somewhat of a dumb question, I feel like you guys already answered this but I would rather ask a dumb question and be clear than be fined. I live in Utah County and fly fish the Provo. I know the boundary line for Utah county is the tunnels up Provo canyon. Am I limited to only that lower half of river? Can I fish up by say the middle Provo outside of Heber? Is this lockout only limited to State Parks? The provo river isn't a state park I don't believe but it does have state parks periodically about. Thank you for any help you are anyone may be able to provide, appreciate it!

Go for it. Enjoy! Oh and post up some pictures. For your own protection I would not go outside Utah county or you risk the wrath of god.

middlefork

· #51 · Apr 4, 2020

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CrayDad

· #52 · Apr 4, 2020

WhiskeyLens said:
Still learning this forum, probably should have posted it in a separate thread. Sorry for the double post:

Please excuse this somewhat of a dumb question, I feel like you guys already answered this but I would rather ask a dumb question and be clear than be fined. I live in Utah County and fly fish the Provo. I know the boundary line for Utah county is the tunnels up Provo canyon. Am I limited to only that lower half of river? Can I fish up by say the middle Provo outside of Heber? Is this lockout only limited to State Parks? The provo river isn't a state park I don't believe but it does have state parks periodically about. Thank you for any help you are anyone may be able to provide, appreciate it!

The state only mentioned State Parks but Wasatch county for example recently banned all non-residents from setting foot.

You'd probably have to check with each county before adventuring out...

utskidad

· #53 · Apr 8, 2020

Equal Protection. We all must be treated the same in the eyes of the law. I live 2 miles from a State Park and cannot legally go their. Somebody who lives 12 miles away may.

Also, all limitations on liberty must pass a rational review test. The reasoning for the limitation must pass a very low level of rationality. This one does not. I can go to a State liquor store, but I can't go to a State Park? Someone 12 miles away can go, but i, at 2 miles, can't.

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utskidad

· #54 · Apr 8, 2020

And don't expect this to end anytime soon. The big Counties have figured out, they get free money for confining their own citizens:

"The county's emergency declaration extension, beyond the initial April 13 expiration date, enables Salt Lake County to continue to apply for federal emergency funds to be reimbursed for COVID-19 response efforts."

https://www.ksl.com/article/46739320/salt-lake-county-extends-covid-19-emergency-declaration-for-federal-funds-into-july?fbclid=IwAR1kg3coB20TmSVeIrwNIAD3Dctrvd-J-0f6YDsQJ9qj_yTrOe0TAbTwhBc

backcountry

· #55 · Apr 8, 2020

utskidad said:
And don't expect this to end anytime soon. The big Counties have figured out, they get free money for confining their own citizens:

"The county's emergency declaration extension, beyond the initial April 13 expiration date, enables Salt Lake County to continue to apply for federal emergency funds to be reimbursed for COVID-19 response efforts."

https://www.ksl.com/article/4673932...VeIrwNIAD3Dctrvd-J-0f6YDsQJ9qj_yTrOe0TAbTwhBc

Nope. The emergency declaration is inherently and legally different than the health orders regarding sheltering in place. The state gets federal monies for the emergency declaration and it's not contingent on the health order in any fashion.

PBH

· #56 · Apr 8, 2020

add Kane County to the list of closed counties:
https://kane.utah.gov/gov/dept/sher...ion-covid-19-restriction-ordinance-o-2020-10/

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