[scottkay1957]

Utah born and raised...
So after 22 years of unsuccessful drawings for the multi-season big bull tag on the central Manti they decide to remove it from the available tags. I wonder if any of the people who made that decision have points or know what kind of system they have that makes a person wait year after year to get a tag and then pull the rug out from under that person. I started trying to draw this tag in the late 1990's. I am very disgruntled with the whole point system but to have them start pulling tags off the list. Im about to give it up.

 

[Bux n Dux]

That’s the spirit! When things don’t go our way and they change, just quit! Way to go sport!

I don’t think they did away with multi season tags. Only multi season tags I’m aware of getting the axe, is the general season OTC any bull tags.

your applications won’t be missed by those who aren’t as easily discouraged

 

[Critter]

That's the way that the draw goes. I've watched hunts come and go. Seen tags get added and tags taken away from what I am trying to draw.

Life is rough, put on your big boy pants and look elsewhere for a multi season tag or just go with a tag that you can draw.

Great first post by the way.

 

[MuscleWhitefish]

Utah born and raised...
So after 22 years of unsuccessful drawings for the multi-season big bull tag on the central Manti they decide to remove it from the available tags. I wonder if any of the people who made that decision have points or know what kind of system they have that makes a person wait year after year to get a tag and then pull the rug out from under that person. I started trying to draw this tag in the late 1990's. I am very disgruntled with the whole point system but to have them start pulling tags off the list. Im about to give it up.

I have a family member that waited for a multi season bull tag on the Wasatch, when he got it.

He killed a bull on the archery season and was like I wish I would have just tried to get two archery tags in the time it took to get 1 multi season.

6 Points per archery tag(x2) + 5 year wait = 17 years

and

21 points on the multi-season = 21 year wait

 

[middlefork]

I'm not even sure where he is pulling his information from.

 

[Wyo2ut]

It seems obvious that he misunderstands the changes...he seems to be confusing the multi-season tags on General units with LE permits that allow hunters to hunt all three seasons. The hunt he seems to be applying for is not going away. At least that is the way I understand it.

 

[elkhunterUT]

Utah born and raised...
So after 22 years of unsuccessful drawings for the multi-season big bull tag on the central Manti they decide to remove it from the available tags. I wonder if any of the people who made that decision have points or know what kind of system they have that makes a person wait year after year to get a tag and then pull the rug out from under that person. I started trying to draw this tag in the late 1990's. I am very disgruntled with the whole point system but to have them start pulling tags off the list. Im about to give it up.

You are definitely confused and don't have correct information, but sounds like your heart really isn't in it so maybe you should just give up.

Multi-season Limited Entry elk tags are not going away and tag recommendations have not even come up for 2023. Lighten up a bit Francis!!

 

[Airborne]

You are definitely confused and don't have correct information, but sounds like your heart really isn't in it so maybe you should just give up.

Multi-season Limited Entry elk tags are not going away and tag recommendations have not even come up for 2023. Lighten up a bit Francis!!

A quote from Stripes! Gotta give that a thumbs up!

 

[Packout]

The multiseason Manti LE elk tag isn't going away. It is hunt number EB3108 and there will be so many permits that Non-residents will receive permits too. Probably even increase permit numbers this year.

Probably just heard multi-season any bull tags were going away and didn't realize the difference. Most people I know who had Multi-season LE tags said it wasn't as much fun as they had hoped- too much pressure and passing on elk thinking something better would be around the next corner or the next season.

 

[7mm Reloaded]

Don’t understand why people think they need 3 seasons to get a good bull on the manti ? usually takes about 3 days.

 

[KineKilla]

Don’t understand why people think they need 3 seasons to get a good bull on the manti ? usually takes about 3 days.

Not sure I share your confidence but certainly should be able to get it done in one season. Except archery....those dates still suck.

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[scottkay1957]

That’s the spirit! When things don’t go our way and they change, just quit! Way to go sport!

I don’t think they did away with multi season tags. Only multi season tags I’m aware of getting the axe, is the general season OTC any bull tags.

your applications won’t be missed by those who aren’t as easily discouraged

Better read up on the 2023-2024 elk hunting changes that have been published. AND Discouraged is what I was for the first 10 years of trying for the tag. NOW im a little more than discouraged after 22 years. Your right Im just venting. I bet you havent been in the same position.

 

[scottkay1957]

I'm not even sure where he is pulling his information from.

2023-2024 elk hunting changes, published by DWR.

 

[Critter]

2023-2024 elk hunting changes, published by DWR.

You need to go back and reread the changes.

The multi season tag change is for the general elk any bull units, not LE hunts

Utah Wildlife Board approves new statewide elk management plan, changes to elk hunting and 2023–24 big game hunting season dates

The Utah Wildlife Board approved a new 10-year Utah Statewide Elk Management Plan, which includes several changes to elk hunting, along with a few other items during Thursday's public meeting at the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources' Eccles Wildlife Education Center.

wildlife.utah.gov

 

[RemingtonCountry]

Better read up on the 2023-2024 elk hunting changes that have been published. AND Discouraged is what I was for the first 10 years of trying for the tag. NOW im a little more than discouraged after 22 years. Your right Im just venting. I bet you havent been in the same position.

To humor myself, I just went and reread the changes. Not ONCE did I see anything about LE multi-season tags changing. Direct copy/paste from the link Critter supplied.

LIMITED-ENTRY HUNTING CHANGES

• Restructuring the harvest age objectives for traditional limited-entry units to include three age objectives: 6 ½ to 7 years old, 6 to 6 ½ years old and 5 ½ to 6 years old.
• Adding the mid-season any legal weapon hunt on most traditional limited-entry elk units.
• Adjusting the weapon splits for traditional limited-entry hunts to place more of the any-legal-weapon hunts in the mid-season hunt.
• Moving the season dates for the beginning of the hunt and end of the traditional limited-entry archery season to four days later than in past years.
• Adjusting the length of the early any-legal-weapon traditional limited-entry elk hunt to five days long.
• Maximizing hunting opportunities by maintaining some units/hunts managed for September archery hunts and HAMS hunts (hunts that allow the use of handgun, archery, muzzleloader, and shotgun).
• Developing and recommending adaptive opportunity limited-entry hunts to seize unusual opportunities. Examples include December archery hunts on limited-entry units, HAMS hunts on units with very high success rates and/or high bull-to-cow ratios, and limited-entry hunts on general-season units using unique timing or the migration of available bulls.

Where does it say anything about LE multi-season going away? This is also a direct copy and paste.

GENERAL-SEASON HUNTING CHANGES

• Removing multi-season permits for the any bull elk hunt. (There will still be a multi-season option for spike bulls, and anyone with a multi-season spike bull elk permit can still participate in both the spike and any bull hunts during the archery season.)
• Adding six additional general-season hunting units/areas to the any bull elk hunt.
• Dividing the current general-season 13-day any legal weapon any bull hunt into two separate seven-day hunts.
• Issuing 15,000 general-season permits for the early season any-legal-weapon any bull hunt.
• Having no cap on permit numbers for the late season any-legal-weapon any bull hunt.
• Expanding the general spike hunt to the Diamond Mountain unit.
• Continuing to issue 15,000 spike bull permits each year, with a cap of 4,500 available as multi-season permits.
• Creating an unlimited youth general-season elk permit that will be valid during all general seasons on both any bull and spike units.
• Discontinuing the limited-entry bull elk hunts on the Paunsaugunt Unit and converting them to general-season any bull hunts. However, the hunts won't include archery — only rifle and muzzleloader. This will be reviewed during the three-year management plan review in 2026.

If anything, it added opportunity to the multi-season tags by adding more mid-season rifle hunts in other units. Not the Manti, but 14 units gained another season for these tags.

 

[middlefork]

Better read up on the 2023-2024 elk hunting changes that have been published. AND Discouraged is what I was for the first 10 years of trying for the tag. NOW im a little more than discouraged after 22 years. Your right Im just venting. I bet you havent been in the same position.

You are definitely confused and don't have correct information
Multi-season Limited Entry elk tags are not going away and tag recommendations have not even come up for 2023.

I understand it can be confusing but no they are not for LE.
And I understand that you are discouraged but only you have made that hunt the only one to try and draw.

 

[Vanilla]

Moose/B&D, are you scottkay too?

 

[johnnycake]

Better read up on the 2023-2024 elk hunting changes that have been published. AND Discouraged is what I was for the first 10 years of trying for the tag. NOW im a little more than discouraged after 22 years. Your right Im just venting. I bet you havent been in the same position.

Even in the face of incontrovertible evidence otherwise, you stuck to your guns. Fascinating.

 

[Vanilla]

22 years?


pfft! Child's play.

 

[Bux n Dux]

Moose/B&D, are you scottkay too?

I’ve been on wait periods for elk longer than I’ve been eligible to hunt them. You really think I’d save 22 LE points and wait that long to hunt? Come on.