Now I realize that asking for hunting advice is like asking for your social security number,however, I know these guys that hunt the third and fourth rifle seasons in colorado and they kill some unbelievable bucks. I have as yet been unable to get any info out of them. I have tried fooling them, I have tried sounding desperate ( does anyone besides the U.S. government know how to do wiretaps)?, and have even resorted to my ace in the hole- mentioning that I really just want my 11 year old son to be able to see some bucks and have a good time and maybe cherish the experience and never try drugs, and stay in school so that he might remain committed to hunting and support it and finance game management so that the future of hunting will remain certain etc. etc. etc...... Anyway if there is anyone out there that might share a little advice about what areas might be promising I would surely appreciate it and the future of hunting will be in your hands. So help a brother out who cannot seem to draw anything ever in the big-game drawings. How many points does it take to draw a cedar valley jackrabbit tag? Please do it for the children!