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Another thread got me thinking about credibility and how we go about it, especially on the internet when we can't see each other face to face. All we know is what we can read and often times it's pure bunk. I have a really tough time listening to others profess their knowledge about something when I know for certain they lack experiences to backup any practical knowledge. Call it ego, call it my competitive nature but it is important to me to know who I am dealing with whether they be a rookie or an experienced person. This isn't something that should be shunned, it's just a desire for the truth.

In face to face interactions with people I know, I have an understanding of their life experiences and can rate the BS factor when dealing with them. I can call them out or choose to ignore it but at least I know.

Here on the web I have nothing but what I can see or maybe glean from how that person presents themselves. I have seen forum members here post about being rookie hunters never having killed an animal, after hunting season that so called 'rookie' is giving advice left and right and acting like a real big wig. It's maddening to me and I have bunted heads with mods because of it. I hold myself to a standard that if I am giving advice about anything I am prepared to backup my claims with photos or other proof.

I recently came across a web site that had a small test concerning 'mormon credibility'. This short test gives a score out of 100 so that you can gauge your level of mormon life experience. I score a solid 55 out of 100 (which makes total sense to me) so in dealing with matters of the predominate Utah faith I have some level of credibility but not compared to someone who scores over 80. Here is that test if interested: http://www.proprofs.com/survey/t/?title=vfai3

So now we get to what we really need around here--a big game cred scale :). Remember that technical knowledge does not equal life experience--lot's of big game hunters read forums and magazines but have only hunted a few times. This big game cred scale needs to be based more on life experiences and less on technical knowledge that can be gleaned from various sources. I am thinking it needs to have questions like:

How many years have you hunted big game

Have many states have you hunted big game in

Have you ever killed a trophy animal (must meet pope and young minimum scores regardless of weapon)

How many days each year do you big game hunt

How many species of big game have you killed

How many different types of weapons have you killed an animal with

How many total big game animals have you taken

Were most of your animals killed on public or private property

and so on and so forth--I think it would be pretty darn funny to have a big game cred scale, have everyone's cred level posted next to their forum handle. All answers given must be verifiable so we know for certain what level of hunter we are dealing with. This would make asking for photos obsolete and also when some loser comes on the forum trashing somebody we can instantly see their cred scale and dismiss what they have to say. I think Goob should create this scale and he can also verify all answers--it's his duty as the forum super moderator. Good luck Goob
 

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Another thread got me thinking about credibility and how we go about it, especially on the internet when we can't see each other face to face. All we know is what we can read and often times it's pure bunk. I have a really tough time listening to others profess their knowledge about something when I know for certain they lack experiences to backup any practical knowledge. Call it ego, call it my competitive nature but it is important to me to know who I am dealing with whether they be a rookie or an experienced person. This isn't something that should be shunned, it's just a desire for the truth.

In face to face interactions with people I know, I have an understanding of their life experiences and can rate the BS factor when dealing with them. I can call them out or choose to ignore it but at least I know.

Here on the web I have nothing but what I can see or maybe glean from how that person presents themselves. I have seen forum members here post about being rookie hunters never having killed an animal, after hunting season that so called 'rookie' is giving advice left and right and acting like a real big wig. It's maddening to me and I have bunted heads with mods because of it. I hold myself to a standard that if I am giving advice about anything I am prepared to backup my claims with photos or other proof.

I recently came across a web site that had a small test concerning 'mormon credibility'. This short test gives a score out of 100 so that you can gauge your level of mormon life experience. I score a solid 55 out of 100 (which makes total sense to me) so in dealing with matters of the predominate Utah faith I have some level of credibility but not compared to someone who scores over 80. Here is that test if interested: http://www.proprofs.com/survey/t/?title=vfai3

So now we get to what we really need around here--a big game cred scale :). Remember that technical knowledge does not equal life experience--lot's of big game hunters read forums and magazines but have only hunted a few times. This big game cred scale needs to be based more on life experiences and less on technical knowledge that can be gleaned from various sources. I am thinking it needs to have questions like:

How many years have you hunted big game

Have many states have you hunted big game in

Have you ever killed a trophy animal (must meet pope and young minimum scores regardless of weapon)

How many days each year do you big game hunt

How many species of big game have you killed

How many different types of weapons have you killed an animal with

How many total big game animals have you taken

Were most of your animals killed on public or private property

and so on and so forth--I think it would be pretty darn funny to have a big game cred scale, have everyone's cred level posted next to their forum handle. All answers given must be verifiable so we know for certain what level of hunter we are dealing with. This would make asking for photos obsolete and also when some loser comes on the forum trashing somebody we can instantly see their cred scale and dismiss what they have to say. I think Goob should create this scale and he can also verify all answers--it's his duty as the forum super moderator. Good luck Goob
uh...great

super forum moderator? thanks

> Do we have ta have pictures to prove all this?
> Does poaching count?
> My son and I shot the same bull elk. How do we split our cred score?
> A lot of the big game kills will be from out of state so I will have to put this in our "Outside of Utah for Less Exposure Section"

I think it's too complicated. All ya need is one question:
Who's kilt a ptarmigan in the Uintas? (All that other stuff ya get on the back of farm animals or road hunting is silly.)

Send in yer Utah ptarmigan pics in a PM. 1 point for every ptarmigan will be yer cred score. Hey, no double-dippin' gdog.

Thanks Airborne for giving me the opportunity to build the UWN cred score system.

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I think it's too complicated. All ya need is one question:
Who's kilt a ptarmigan in the Uintas? (All that other stuff ya get on the back of farm animals or road hunting is silly.)
Whats a ptarmigan?

And why would you hunt in a kilt? I would think ones legs would get chafed. Does that add extra cred?
 

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I took your Mormon test and scored a 10%....Huh? How can that be? Maybe because I have Mormon relatives.

(In case your wondering, I love the Mormon people)
 

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Another thread got me thinking about credibility and how we go about it, especially on the internet when we can't see each other face to face. All we know is what we can read and often times it's pure bunk. I have a really tough time listening to others profess their knowledge about something when I know for certain they lack experiences to backup any practical knowledge. Call it ego, call it my competitive nature but it is important to me to know who I am dealing with whether they be a rookie or an experienced person. This isn't something that should be shunned, it's just a desire for the truth.

In face to face interactions with people I know, I have an understanding of their life experiences and can rate the BS factor when dealing with them. I can call them out or choose to ignore it but at least I know.

Here on the web I have nothing but what I can see or maybe glean from how that person presents themselves. I have seen forum members here post about being rookie hunters never having killed an animal, after hunting season that so called 'rookie' is giving advice left and right and acting like a real big wig. It's maddening to me and I have bunted heads with mods because of it. I hold myself to a standard that if I am giving advice about anything I am prepared to backup my claims with photos or other proof.

I recently came across a web site that had a small test concerning 'mormon credibility'. This short test gives a score out of 100 so that you can gauge your level of mormon life experience. I score a solid 55 out of 100 (which makes total sense to me) so in dealing with matters of the predominate Utah faith I have some level of credibility but not compared to someone who scores over 80. Here is that test if interested: http://www.proprofs.com/survey/t/?title=vfai3

So now we get to what we really need around here--a big game cred scale :). Remember that technical knowledge does not equal life experience--lot's of big game hunters read forums and magazines but have only hunted a few times. This big game cred scale needs to be based more on life experiences and less on technical knowledge that can be gleaned from various sources. I am thinking it needs to have questions like:

How many years have you hunted big game
Have many states have you hunted big game in

Have you ever killed a trophy animal (must meet pope and young minimum scores regardless of weapon)
How many days each year do you big game hunt
How many species of big game have you killed
How many different types of weapons have you killed an animal with

How many total big game animals have you taken

Were most of your animals killed on public or private property
and so on and so forth--I think it would be pretty darn funny to have a big game cred scale, have everyone's cred level posted next to their forum handle. All answers given must be verifiable so we know for certain what level of hunter we are dealing with. This would make asking for photos obsolete and also when some loser comes on the forum trashing somebody we can instantly see their cred scale and dismiss what they have to say. I think Goob should create this scale and he can also verify all answers--it's his duty as the forum super moderator. Good luck Goob
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Seriously though, I like the idea but I can't see how anyone can verify all the animals they've killed. Think about this, it's dang hard to lie for long on a forum. There is always someone somewhere that knows more than you do and catches some detail that's off and corrects you or calls you on it. Whether it's an outright lie, misleading info or a mistake, not much gets by. In fact Loke corrected me on the 30mm vs 1" scope answer (I'm actually glad he didn't let that go).
I think it takes time to gain a certain amount of trust for some posters. If SS, FriscoPete, DallonC, Loke and some others come on here popping off about guns, I don't doubt their cred. K2 and Loah and others on fishing. The list goes on. I'm a regular on LongRangeHunting, AccurateShooter and BenchrestCentral and you will never, ever get away with bullsh!tting on those sites! There is way too many top-notch, big-name, knowledgeable guys on those. These sites are self-correcting.
Think about the poachers that come on here and MonsterMuleys. They can never keep their stories straight and the real details start to emerge before too long.
It would be nice to have a bullsh!t detector but the only one I know of is time.

Good post Airborne.
 

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I dont profess to be a great hunter,(shot 6 ducks last year)amd it does not really bother me when someone gives knowledge or lack there of.I sometimes think we spend to much time looking for others faults, rather than correcting our own IMHO.
 

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In most cases, people are just offering their opinion but they sure come across as wanting you to think it's fact.
It drives me crazy when the same person think they have "the" answer for what ever question or situation is at hand.
 

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Ah, someone else telling me I can't talk until I've already talked for 2000 posts or some other arbitrary number as long as it's more posts than them. I've made it plain that I'm new to this, but when people ask questions about things I do happen to know about, I speak up. If you want to pursue discourse with people who all know more than you and expect all of those people to dispense advice whenever you ask for it, a forum on the internet is not the place. Zero empathy for people complaining about free stuff.

Edit: learn to use Google, this search for example: site:utahwildlife.net airborne

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Ah, someone else telling me I can't talk until I've already talked for 2000 posts or some other arbitrary number as long as it's more posts than them. I've made it plain that I'm new to this, but when people ask questions about things I do happen to know about, I speak up. If you want to pursue discourse with people who all know more than you and expect all of those people to dispense advice whenever you ask for it, a forum on the internet is not the place. Zero empathy for people complaining about free stuff.
Yeah, I'm thinkin' the same thing.

Any Utah ptarmigan?

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I would think that anybody that successfully kills a one eyed deer without selenium deficiencies automatically gets a Cred Rating of 8.5 it moves to 9.0 if they are wearing a kilt.

If they pull off the feat in their first year hunting using primitive weapons within 5 yards or a 30-06 (from any distance) they are moved to the master hunter category and are allowed to trump any decision that a moderator makes so long as they are willing to try some of Goobs head cheese stuff.
 
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Had a white tailed ptarmigan tag but I made it into tag soup. Though I did look at my tag and think earnest thoughts about going out and looking for some birds. Maybe I should make a post about the correct way to think about hunting for them?
 

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I would think that anybody that successfully kills a one eyed deer without selenium deficiencies automatically gets a Cred Rating of 8.5 it moves to 9.0 if they are wearing a kilt.

If they pull off the feat in their first year hunting using primitive weapons within 5 yards or a 30-06 (from any distance) they are moved to the master hunter category and are allowed to trump any decision that a moderator makes so long as they are willing to try some of Goobs head cheese stuff.
Ya know, I can't give that stuff away.

Any Utah white-tailed ptarmigan?

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So, after one gets his "cred" score and it turns out lower than he expects, does he continue to post or does he just more on to another forum where he gets the respect he desires. Or do we just allow posters with high "cred" scores do all the posting, or should we blackball all posters below a certain "cred" score, or better yet, should maybe we establish a "board of ridicule" to put these BS'ers and near do wells in their place. Speaking of boards, how about a boards of specialist that are the only ones allowed to post on certain subjects thus weeding out all those BSers with low cred scores? On the other hand, maybe we should just stop judging and enjoy all the posts and simply enjoy the conversations.
 
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