Ive had bulls fighting 80 yards (twice) from my tent on the wasatch, night before opening and just after enough sun had faded to place a clean shot. I had a nice six point come within 20 yards from my hammock multiple times(he would smell me then come back looking for a cow) right before first light because he smelled my cow urine wafer i left hanging in the tree next to me only to have a 30ft aspen fall ten feet away with no wind 10 min before legal shooting time. Theres plenty of nice bulls up there but they are smarter than your average elk!!! thats why theyre big!!! also they have more pressure from greenhorn hunters longer than any other elk in the state. some of the best elk spots ive found i cant count how many guys walked right through and kept on going, to that i say thank you for doing all the hard work!! If you want to get close to a big bull or any elk on the front my best advice to you is 1)find a decent spot that they frequent even if it seems pressured 2) if everyone is hunting water, or the animals wait till dark to drink...hunt the trail to water. 3)like i said before....wait, be patient and wait. when you get tired of waiting, wait some more. when youve waited long enough and your butt is numb, wait longer. when youve waited and waited and waited and waited and still nothing, wait a bit longer... -O\\__- I always see more when i wait then when i hike, also it gives you a better idea of what trails the animals like to take and where theyre going and at what times. these guys are up parleys 10 min hike off the road, saw them once a week everytime i checked cameras they were there, it was kind of fun to hone my stalking skills before the hunt started armed with a camcorder...just had to wait for it to find the right spot. didnt get a chance to connect because of limited time on the mountain and they went nocturnal. hey i didnt say i had it all figured out, just how to find them.