That was all great advice. One more thing I would like to add. If you are going to get a nice vice, I would suggest a rotary vice. A rotary vise allows you to rotate the fly while it is in the vice. It makes it really easy to rib your flies or wrap other materials around the hook shank. It also helps you be more consistent with tying. They are worth every penny imo.BrookTroutKid said:Wow thanks for the info guys i was going to buy a pre assembled kit . Now I have some better info Im going to get a good vice and other tools. And I think I will start with the wooly bugger Rocki.