For those of you who guide big game, professionally and for friends.
For the last 3 years, I have went hunting with a friend. I end up filling my tag prior to him and then try to assist him in getting his first bull.
I take him to where the elk are, get him on a bull and then he stops listening to me.
example 1. this year we were sneaking along the side of a ridge and come face to face with 12 elk at 50 yards. I found the one bull in the group, a small 4x4 raghorn. Pointed it out to him, I could see he was getting excited, so I told him to lean on the tree which was 1 foot from him, he says no. I keep telling him to calm down and use the tree to steady himself, nope, he won't do it. He shoots and misses, off they go never to be seen again.
example 2. I get an answer from a bull bugling. they were so close (150 yards) we didn't have time to set up with him out front so i hid right next to him. I told him to get ready, I'm ready he say's. Get your gun up and pointed at that opening(40 yards), cause that is where they will come through i say. He just stands there with his gun at his hips(i am kneeling on the ground concealing my self behind the tree)? Well the first one goes through and no shot. Second and no shot. The second angles towards us but stops behind some brush. You can see the outline of the entire bull, with a beach ball size opening through the brush to the lung area behind the shoulder (broadside, perfect). Won't shoot waits till the bull steps to where there is no shot then shoots. Of course a miss.
(He hunts with a rifle),
Yes he missed them all, I am positive.
I could give more but you get the picture.
What do you guys do with people when you get one like this? Other people I have taken, take my recomendations and they have been successful.
I am at a loss?
For the last 3 years, I have went hunting with a friend. I end up filling my tag prior to him and then try to assist him in getting his first bull.
I take him to where the elk are, get him on a bull and then he stops listening to me.
example 1. this year we were sneaking along the side of a ridge and come face to face with 12 elk at 50 yards. I found the one bull in the group, a small 4x4 raghorn. Pointed it out to him, I could see he was getting excited, so I told him to lean on the tree which was 1 foot from him, he says no. I keep telling him to calm down and use the tree to steady himself, nope, he won't do it. He shoots and misses, off they go never to be seen again.
example 2. I get an answer from a bull bugling. they were so close (150 yards) we didn't have time to set up with him out front so i hid right next to him. I told him to get ready, I'm ready he say's. Get your gun up and pointed at that opening(40 yards), cause that is where they will come through i say. He just stands there with his gun at his hips(i am kneeling on the ground concealing my self behind the tree)? Well the first one goes through and no shot. Second and no shot. The second angles towards us but stops behind some brush. You can see the outline of the entire bull, with a beach ball size opening through the brush to the lung area behind the shoulder (broadside, perfect). Won't shoot waits till the bull steps to where there is no shot then shoots. Of course a miss.
(He hunts with a rifle),
Yes he missed them all, I am positive.
I could give more but you get the picture.
What do you guys do with people when you get one like this? Other people I have taken, take my recomendations and they have been successful.
I am at a loss?