Went online at the good ole udwr last night to get my sportmans app in. surprise , surprise, they raised the fee to 10.00 each. I was not aware till idid it that the fees had gone up. 5,00 was sufficient for the odds and to add some money to the cofers for the division. but 10.00 is just robbery. the fee was supposed to be for administration.( gals to type entries into the computer and run the deposits to the bank) but why does it need more money. did everyone involved in nevada get a 100% raise??? we still have to pay the tag fees , which is great by me. but why do they have to skin us alive just to enter. i still entered , but i didn't try for all. I backed it off some. just wanted to see if i was crying and moaning alone or if there were others who think this increase is pathetic.
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I guess we've just been spoiled with the low $5 fee. Montana app fee is $20 you don't get back. So Utah's $5 isn't all that bad. And $10 still isn't that bad. As for the Nevada company, it takes serious staff time to design and continue to update the database with all the tiering for applicants and multiple hunts. I have no problem with the fee increase. It is still cheaper to apply in Utah than most of our neighboring states.
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archery, the price has been $5.00 for how many years? Yet the cost of EVERYTHING has gone up during that time. If you are whining about $5.00, just realize that the price of a general season deer/elk tag went down by atleast the same amount, so I guess it is a wash. $10.00 to apply for a tag is very reasonable IMHO.
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I was wondering how did anyone not see the increase coming, it was all over the old forum and even in the news section a couple of times. Just wait until you have to start paying for your points. The odds are getting better slowly, before to long grandma's, great aunts, and all the other relatives who have never hunted before, will not be putting in. I guess this year I won't let my dog put in, he is not worth the application fee's.
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+1 it was no surprise to me i knew it was coming. it is not going to deter me from putting in for the same things i have in the past.humpyflyguy said:
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i also saw it coming but IMDO (D=dishonest, I never understood why people put the H in there for Honest) 
It wont change how alot of people apply for their tags. W/ me and my wife it will cost us tops of $100 extra to put in for our normal tags (big game/antlerless/swan) which in the grand scheme of things isn't that much when we dump 10x that or more to actually get out there and do the hunting/scouting. it helps since they dropped the prices on the deer and elk tags anyway. now that we're going to have a little monster (baby) running around i don't think my wife will get out as much as she used too.
thats just my Dishonest Opinion. :mrgreen:
It wont change how alot of people apply for their tags. W/ me and my wife it will cost us tops of $100 extra to put in for our normal tags (big game/antlerless/swan) which in the grand scheme of things isn't that much when we dump 10x that or more to actually get out there and do the hunting/scouting. it helps since they dropped the prices on the deer and elk tags anyway. now that we're going to have a little monster (baby) running around i don't think my wife will get out as much as she used too.thats just my Dishonest Opinion. :mrgreen:
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dont for get to add that you need a hunting linc as they say. no more small game linc it called a hunting linc. you have to have that to appl for any hunts for next year.
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Do like I'm doing and just boycott it. Spread the word. We'll show them DWR fellers who's the boss.
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Yeah, yeah, that's it we will ALL boycott it and teach the them a lesson! I am in.elk22hunter said:
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Yea please, everyone stop putting in..........no one apply for anything! :shock: :shock:
Please if everyone will boycott that will be great! I will be hunting sheep and moose and another elk this next year! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Please if everyone will boycott that will be great! I will be hunting sheep and moose and another elk this next year! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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I don't understand the crying. *-HELP!-*
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it is also like viewing a porno tape, fun and all but in the end you are still alone caressing your................ remote. geeeez people get your minds out of the gutter. :mrgreen:archery said:
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Porno doesn't hold a candle to videoing a monster bull, but you can't film from your living room couch. :wink:
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If you are going to send $10 to Nevada anyway, why not just buy a lottery ticket? You might have better odds! Maybe if we help all of the "non gamblers" see that this process is legalized gambling and morally wrong then less will put in and we will increase our odds!
Based on the actual odds, most experienced gamblers would consider this a "sucker bet".
The data base needed to run this system is NOT very complicated and there is no way that it should cost so much. Just add up all of the $10 application fees and you are talking serious money! Maybe I should move to Nevada and try to get this contract. Early retirement here I come!
I wouldn't mind the fees so much if they at least went to the Division and not an out of state company. Sounds like it is time for re-bidding!
Good luck everyone and don't forget to buy your $10 lottery tickets before the deadline!
Based on the actual odds, most experienced gamblers would consider this a "sucker bet".
The data base needed to run this system is NOT very complicated and there is no way that it should cost so much. Just add up all of the $10 application fees and you are talking serious money! Maybe I should move to Nevada and try to get this contract. Early retirement here I come!
I wouldn't mind the fees so much if they at least went to the Division and not an out of state company. Sounds like it is time for re-bidding!
Good luck everyone and don't forget to buy your $10 lottery tickets before the deadline!
People...this is a news release from the DWR from clear back in 2006...it was out there for all of us to look at and give input and opions....guess a few of you didnt take the time to go to the RAC's and make a difference...guess ya really dont have alot to gripe about huh? :wink:
Fee change ideas
The DWR is considering some fee change ideas that would provide the agency with some much-needed funding. These ideas are being presented at the upcoming meetings as informational items only and will not be acted on. After receiving input from the public, the DWR will bring the recommendations back to the public for action at meetings in September.
One of the changes the DWR is currently considering would affect how the state's big game drawing is conducted. This idea would likely result in fewer people applying for a Utah limited entry or once-in-a-lifetime big game permit. Reducing the number of applicants would provide the remaining applicants with a better chance at drawing a permit.
"Right now, it costs $5 to apply for a big game permit in Utah," says Greg Sheehan, Administrative Services Section chief for the DWR. "That's among the lowest fees in the western states, and we believe it's one of the main reasons the number of people applying for big game permits in Utah has been climbing for years."
While the number of applicants continues to climb, the number of permits for which to apply hasn't changed much. For example, in 1998, more than 50,000 people applied for about 4,000 permits. In 2006, more than 144,000 people applied for about 4,400 permits.
In 1998, an average of about 13 applications were submitted for every permit that was available. By 2006, that number had climbed to an average of 32 applications per permit.
Jim Karpowitz, director of the DWR, says limited entry and once-in-a-lifetime permits have become very difficult to draw in Utah and that the agency would like to make the few permits that it does have available to people who are willing to partner with the agency to manage the state's wildlife.
"All of our new ideas provide a reasonable and equitable way to distribute the costs of wildlife management to all hunters, as well as to those who participate in the drawing but don't hunt the rest of the year," Karpowitz said.
The DWR is considering three ideas. The agency is asking members of the public to help it choose ONE of them or to provide the agency with some ideas of their own (each idea would generate about $3.7 million in new revenue):
Option 1 (DWR's preferred option):
Before applying in any draw or buying any hunting permit, all hunters, including big game hunters, would be required to buy a hunting license. In addition to allowing the holder to apply for a permit or buy a permit, a hunting license would also allow the holder to hunt small game.
The license would cost $17. Instead of buying a hunting license, hunters could choose to buy a $34 combination license that would also allow them to fish.
This option has two advantages:
A portion of the $3.7 million raised by this option would come to Utah from the federal government as new funds allocated to the state because of increased license sales.
Hunters who already buy small game and combination licenses would not be affected by this change.
Option 2:
In addition to paying the $5 application fee, big game applicants who wanted a bonus point or a preference point would be required to purchase one for $24. Unsuccessful applicants would no longer receive bonus points and preference points for free. Hunters would not have to pay for points that they had accrued in past years.
Option 3:
Hunters could apply in all five of the once-in-a-lifetime draws, and purchase one bonus point for each of the once-in-a-lifetime draws and one bonus point for the limited entry draw. The cost for each bonus point would be $12 per bonus point. Hunters would not have to pay for points that they had accrued in past years. The application fee would remain at $5 per species.
In addition to the ideas about big game fee changes, the DWR is seeking input about some additional fee changes. One of those changes would require that those who don't have a hunting or fishing license pay a fee to visit the state's wildlife and waterfowl management areas (WMAs).
A Watchable Wildlife pass would be available for $10 and would allow the purchaser access to the state's WMAs for 365 days from the day the pass was purchased. The pass would also provide the holder access to all of the Watchable Wildlife events and festivals in Utah for which a fee is charged to attend.
The DWR is also suggesting that a new $5 fishing license be required for 12- and 13-year-old anglers. "For every license sold to these young anglers, the division would collect $14 in federal aid. That money would then be invested in fish hatcheries and other programs that would make fishing better in the state," Karpowitz said.
"To continue managing Utah's wildlife effectively, we have to raise more revenue," Karpowitz said. "If we don't, Utah's wildlife will suffer and so will everyone who enjoys wildlife in the state."
Fee change ideas
The DWR is considering some fee change ideas that would provide the agency with some much-needed funding. These ideas are being presented at the upcoming meetings as informational items only and will not be acted on. After receiving input from the public, the DWR will bring the recommendations back to the public for action at meetings in September.
One of the changes the DWR is currently considering would affect how the state's big game drawing is conducted. This idea would likely result in fewer people applying for a Utah limited entry or once-in-a-lifetime big game permit. Reducing the number of applicants would provide the remaining applicants with a better chance at drawing a permit.
"Right now, it costs $5 to apply for a big game permit in Utah," says Greg Sheehan, Administrative Services Section chief for the DWR. "That's among the lowest fees in the western states, and we believe it's one of the main reasons the number of people applying for big game permits in Utah has been climbing for years."
While the number of applicants continues to climb, the number of permits for which to apply hasn't changed much. For example, in 1998, more than 50,000 people applied for about 4,000 permits. In 2006, more than 144,000 people applied for about 4,400 permits.
In 1998, an average of about 13 applications were submitted for every permit that was available. By 2006, that number had climbed to an average of 32 applications per permit.
Jim Karpowitz, director of the DWR, says limited entry and once-in-a-lifetime permits have become very difficult to draw in Utah and that the agency would like to make the few permits that it does have available to people who are willing to partner with the agency to manage the state's wildlife.
"All of our new ideas provide a reasonable and equitable way to distribute the costs of wildlife management to all hunters, as well as to those who participate in the drawing but don't hunt the rest of the year," Karpowitz said.
The DWR is considering three ideas. The agency is asking members of the public to help it choose ONE of them or to provide the agency with some ideas of their own (each idea would generate about $3.7 million in new revenue):
Option 1 (DWR's preferred option):
Before applying in any draw or buying any hunting permit, all hunters, including big game hunters, would be required to buy a hunting license. In addition to allowing the holder to apply for a permit or buy a permit, a hunting license would also allow the holder to hunt small game.
The license would cost $17. Instead of buying a hunting license, hunters could choose to buy a $34 combination license that would also allow them to fish.
This option has two advantages:
A portion of the $3.7 million raised by this option would come to Utah from the federal government as new funds allocated to the state because of increased license sales.
Hunters who already buy small game and combination licenses would not be affected by this change.
Option 2:
In addition to paying the $5 application fee, big game applicants who wanted a bonus point or a preference point would be required to purchase one for $24. Unsuccessful applicants would no longer receive bonus points and preference points for free. Hunters would not have to pay for points that they had accrued in past years.
Option 3:
Hunters could apply in all five of the once-in-a-lifetime draws, and purchase one bonus point for each of the once-in-a-lifetime draws and one bonus point for the limited entry draw. The cost for each bonus point would be $12 per bonus point. Hunters would not have to pay for points that they had accrued in past years. The application fee would remain at $5 per species.
In addition to the ideas about big game fee changes, the DWR is seeking input about some additional fee changes. One of those changes would require that those who don't have a hunting or fishing license pay a fee to visit the state's wildlife and waterfowl management areas (WMAs).
A Watchable Wildlife pass would be available for $10 and would allow the purchaser access to the state's WMAs for 365 days from the day the pass was purchased. The pass would also provide the holder access to all of the Watchable Wildlife events and festivals in Utah for which a fee is charged to attend.
The DWR is also suggesting that a new $5 fishing license be required for 12- and 13-year-old anglers. "For every license sold to these young anglers, the division would collect $14 in federal aid. That money would then be invested in fish hatcheries and other programs that would make fishing better in the state," Karpowitz said.
"To continue managing Utah's wildlife effectively, we have to raise more revenue," Karpowitz said. "If we don't, Utah's wildlife will suffer and so will everyone who enjoys wildlife in the state."
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