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I am sure i will catch a lot of crap for this post. I was browsing my Facebook this morning and saw a lot of posts from numerous people about how they killed their spike elk form 1407 yards and someone else killed a cow at 1620. There were probably 8-10 posts like this and none of them were under 1k yard shots. To me that seems more like shooting than hunting but I get it to each there own. I prefer to use a bow because it feels more like hunting. In my personal opinion if you can't get closer than 500 yards to an animal maybe you should practice stalking as well. It takes skill to hit something that far no doubt but isn't there a much bigger chance of you just wounding an animal at those ranges? Anyways I am not impressed with their kills and a few were some bigger 6 point bulls. I would have been more impressed if they actually put in the work to get in closer but thats just me. Rant over.
 

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I am sure i will catch a lot of crap for this post. I was browsing my Facebook this morning and saw a lot of posts from numerous people about how they killed their spike elk form 1407 yards and someone else killed a cow at 1620. There were probably 8-10 posts like this and none of them were under 1k yard shots. To me that seems more like shooting than hunting but I get it to each there own. I prefer to use a bow because it feels more like hunting. In my personal opinion if you can't get closer than 500 yards to an animal maybe you should practice stalking as well. It takes skill to hit something that far no doubt but isn't there a much bigger chance of you just wounding an animal at those ranges? Anyways I am not impressed with their kills and a few were some bigger 6 point bulls. I would have been more impressed if they actually put in the work to get in closer but thats just me. Rant over.
While I am very confident I can shoot an elk or mule deer out to 500 yards, I will always close the distance if possible. Last year I got mine at only 20 yards.

I am more willing to bet they could be measuring by feet NOT yards!
 

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While I am very confident I can shoot an elk or mule deer out to 500 yards, I will always close the distance if possible. Last year I got mine at only 20 yards.

I am more willing to bet they could be measuring by feet NOT yards!
Unless they are just saying they shot that far. But everyone of them says yards and are bragging it up.
 

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This topic has come up many times and is a current controversy between sportsman. They even have a "sub sport" for it now called Long Range Hunting. I believe it to be a fad or fashion type of thing just like the "tactical" movement or "Zombie Apocalypse" or self/home defense etc. There is no reason that a person with even the modest skills in pursuing game shouldn't be able to get with in 500 yards of game. It is actually not so easy to spot them up at 1000 yards plus anyway. However that being said I believe and ethical shot is the one you know you can make regardless of distance. So you can you will on both ends.

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Farthest I've ever shot an animal ever is 150yds so I don't claim to be a long range hunter whatsoever. But downing these peoples hunting skills is a little much. These guys probably do spend as much time in the woods as they do shooting. And let's face it, hikers get writhing 100 yds of animals. If these guys wanted to close the gap they could. It's not about their "hunting" ability. They put a lot of time and money and effort into refining their shooing skills. "Shooting" is what they enjoy and that's a big pet of gunning. I wish that I had time and money enough to get confident enough in my abilities to make a clean kill at 1400 yds. I think that's awesome.

My issue with this style of hunting is WHEN you miss or wound (not if but when). Let's all be honest, we've shot animals at 100 yds and gotten so excited that we forget exactly where we shot it and have a hard time finding a blood trail. Now multiply that chance for mistake by 14. Across a draw, a creek, or in a wrong thicket and all of the sudden you have no idea where that animal went. There are probably a lot of wounded animals that get assumed as complete misses because they can't find blood. That's just unfortunate
 

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Well said jm. If anyone backs up to increase the shot distance at game they should be beat with the butt of their gun.
As long as they follow up shots instead of assuming a miss.
It certainly could open up opportunities for mobility limited hunters though.
 

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Farthest I've ever shot an animal ever is 150yds so I don't claim to be a long range hunter whatsoever. But downing these peoples hunting skills is a little much. These guys probably do spend as much time in the woods as they do shooting. And let's face it, hikers get writhing 100 yds of animals. If these guys wanted to close the gap they could. It's not about their "hunting" ability. They put a lot of time and money and effort into refining their shooing skills. "Shooting" is what they enjoy and that's a big pet of gunning. I wish that I had time and money enough to get confident enough in my abilities to make a clean kill at 1400 yds. I think that's awesome.

My issue with this style of hunting is WHEN you miss or wound (not if but when). Let's all be honest, we've shot animals at 100 yds and gotten so excited that we forget exactly where we shot it and have a hard time finding a blood trail. Now multiply that chance for mistake by 14. Across a draw, a creek, or in a wrong thicket and all of the sudden you have no idea where that animal went. There are probably a lot of wounded animals that get assumed as complete misses because they can't find blood. That's just unfortunate
I am in no way bagging on their shooting skills. No doubt they are great shots to be able to connect that far. But that being said there is a huge difference between shooting 1500 yards at a steel plate and an animal.
 

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Also to give maybe a little out of the box comparison, a lot of guys here are archers, including myself. Bass, you killed your deer at 94 yds this year. I've seen several elk pics taken over 80 yds. A typical practice shot here is 50 to 60 yds and anything under 40 is almost viewed as a gimme. Why are we willing to take these shots? Because we practice a lot, we put money in our bows, and we know our capabilities. However back home (Alabama) any shot over 40-50 yds is viewed as almost unethical by a lot of hunters. It's Almost mindboggling that anyone would even attempt it. Now do I think a 1400 yd shot is necessary? Not in the slightest. But those guys know
Their capabilities and limits, much the same that we know our bows. Some idiot with an off the shelf ruger American 243 shooting core Lokts with a BSA 3x9 scope will undoubtedly sling lead at 1000 yds and make long range shooters look bad. But I have to believe that the majority of people that attempt these shots do so because they are justifiably confident in their abilities regardless of the necessity to shoot that distance.
 

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I seriously judge the accuracy of the reports of those distances. And short of a 50 bmg, I seriously question that even the best tuned and specialized rifle in the 30-35 caliber range can either make those shots, make them predictably, or have enough energy to kill an elk. Just. No.
 

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Isn't it the hunter's responsibility to do whatever possible to increase odds in making sure your shot...whether bow, rifle, muzzleloader....results in a clean kill? Any time you increase the distance, you increase chances of something going astray.

While I can be the best rifleman on the planet, I certainly cannot control outside influences that can and will change the outcome. Is it not my obligation to close the distance to lessen the chance of something going wrong regardless on how many milk jugs I've shot from 1,000 yards?

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While I can be the best rifleman on the planet, I certainly cannot control outside influences that can and will change the outcome. Is it not my obligation to close the distance to lessen the chance of something going wrong regardless on how many milk jugs I've shot from 1,000 yards?
That's called Sportsmanship... something that doesn't seem to be taught anymore in today's immediate gratification, narcissistic society.

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The point I think he is trying to make, and I agree, is that these long range shooters are just that...shooters. Furthermore, although they are great shots and obviously put a lot of time, effort, money into their weapon of choice the same accomplishment can be had on non living targets! Taking such shots on live animals is irresponsible and cruel. I agree that the closer you can get, with any weapon, the better and higher chances of success when a shot presents itself.
 

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Not to just tick everyone on this discussion off here, but......
Hunting IS cruel. Hunters deliberatly kill animals for a hobby. Archery hunters almost NEVER have instant kills, instead they mortally wound an animal that will wander around until it bleeds to death. Rifle and muzzy hunters are not different. Sure, we hope for a one-shot kills, so they'll "drop in their tracks" but instant kills are not what happens much of the time. And even if they did, we still hunt animals down and kill them for the sheer pleasure of it. And yes, the outing, the stalk, the scouting, the family time, the memories made - all are part of it. But make no mistake - hunting - AND fishing are cruel endeavors. I don't care if you are 10 yards, or 1,500 yards away. Hunting IS cruel.
 
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Apparently its getting so easy even kids can do it


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That was totally justified, couldn't you tell that there was absolutely no way of getting closer? ;) I Think Steven Rinella put it the best way that I have heard. He said if you have the slightest doubt that you will not be able to put the bullet exactly where you want it you should not take the shot.
 

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I'm with GaryFish -- don't believe have the stories. Past 1000yds, wind and even the movement of the earth become crucial. For every kill at that distance, a vast number of shots at that distance land nowhere, or wound a likely unretrievable animal.

DallanC, that video is from the Gunwerks guys themselves ... they have their own range, shoot every day, lots of data, experience, bla bla ...

All that said, I don't mind long range hunting. I do find it an interesting challenge, but am not ready -- equipment or experience-wise.

Last Saturday, btw, some $%@#$%^% shot past me and my buddy at a group of elk that we were eyeing as well. Three shots whizzing past our heads, at maybe 150yds south of us. Later confronted them; they said it wasn't them, even though one said "yeah I got that 1000yd gun ready to go."

We were rather speechless, and the sound of those bullets was discomforting. So, at whatever range you shoot, don't #$%^#$%^ shoot over people heads!!!!!
 

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Last Saturday, btw, some $%@#$%^% shot past me and my buddy at a group of elk that we were eyeing as well. Three shots whizzing past our heads, at maybe 150yds south of us. Later confronted them; they said it wasn't them, even though one said "yeah I got that 1000yd gun ready to go."
And he missed all three shots. Just to add that as well. At 750 yards. Later he seemed to have gone down, and done target practice in camp, as we heard shots from the same location in regular intervals. Unbelievable.
 
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