[flinger]

Introduced restrictions on big game baiting and trail cameras.

https://le.utah.gov/~2021/bills/sta...k4hlVD1ePz65hLq2epv7yyt7OpazDDwt8J_zGNRBDrfV8

Update from rep.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/environment/2021/02/11/weve-taken-hunt-out/

 

[2full]

No more apples ??

 

[Critter]

If this passes I know of a number of deer hunters who are going to have to change the way that they hunt. No more baiting deer at a waterhole and then sitting in their lawn chairs to shoot them from across the road.

 

[middlefork]

I can't say the camera rule would bother me at all. But it is pretty funny how law of omission is expressly circumvented by allowing salt and other minerals.

But I will admit I tried for many years to dump apples up in the mountains to attract deer just to get rid of them and I'm not sure one apple was ever touched. I understand the deer come in to orchards and browse them but I just never saw any indication it was a draw without some trees nearby.

 

[Slayer]

I have areas I put trail cameras that have never had a person show up on them in years. I'm pretty sure it is not affecting anybody at all by having them there!
I don't care at all about the baiting rule though, the only baiting I do is when fishing!

 

[SaltyWalty]

does this mean you cant place a cam on public or can you only jan-aug?

 

[MooseMeat]

1. Casey snider can suck it.

2. Jokes on him. I’ll just set my stand 60 yards from my bait pile, 10 yards further than his 50 yard baited area definition and I’ll be completely legal.

3. I lost the keys to all my trail cam lock boxes. Cant get into them to remove them and it’s illegal for me to cut down the tree they are on to get them removed before his season closure. My bad. :roll: what a bunch of Fbags

 

[Vanilla]

Oh, apples are a draw for sure! There is a reason some outfits bring them in by the truck load to drop off in areas.

And it was only a matter of time before something like this was officially proposed. It is really getting out of hand out there. There has been no rule against it, so I’m not blaming anyone, but it’s too bad this is even necessary.

 

[taxidermist]

The way I read it, is the proposed law will require a bait permit. Just like the Bear baiting permit. If this does make it through, the next law will be eliminating bait stations for Bear.


Trail cams IMO are considered very close to NOT being "fair chase" for a wild animal. Great if you use them, I'm not saying your wrong and I'm right.


I just get tired of taking a hike and running into them almost everywhere I go. It's like a dog finds a place to **** his leg and mark "his territory". Is that what hunters are thinking....If I place a camera on this waterhole, its mine, stay away??

 

[PBH]

I have no complaints about this proposal. I actually kind of like it.




I'd also be OK with some modifications, or compromises. Restrict the number of cameras a user is allowed to use and require them to be registered and labeled with ownership info and date of installation. They simply need to be controlled. Unfortunately, sometimes you need some regulation. We are at that point with cameras. :noidea:

 

[Vanilla]

Pretend for a second that this bill passes, and that the law somehow gets enforced.

This would have a significant impact on hunting success. Yes, we are going to get people on here that run cameras that will say, “ban them, it won’t change anything.” But they wouldn’t run cameras if it didn’t work. And they wouldn’t run a dozen cameras if it didn’t work. And they wouldn’t run 100+ cameras if they didn’t work. If cameras have to be gone by 7/1 and 8/1, you’ll see less people setting them up in the first place. But it is going to be very difficult to enforce.

I wish we didn’t need something like this. I’d honestly rather just that people could put a couple cameras up if they wanted to and go about their business. That said, it’s getting out of hand how they’re being used. It’s that old adage that we have met the enemy and he is us. We shoot ourselves in the foot on this stuff too often.

 

[outn'bout1]

The title of this thread articulates this perfect. It was bound to happen. Can't say I am wholly for or against it. I know a lot of hunters are for something like this, it isn't the anti or non-hunters who are (although some probably are). Casey Snider is an avid hunter himself.
More and more states are going to move this direction. It has gotten out of hand and to a point where many states are going to start regulating cameras and bait because it is what a lot of constituents want.

 

[BPturkeys]

1. Casey snider can suck it.

2. Jokes on him. I'll just set my stand 60 yards from my bait pile, 10 yards further than his 50 yard baited area definition and I'll be completely legal.

3. I lost the keys to all my trail cam lock boxes. Cant get into them to remove them and it's illegal for me to cut down the tree they are on to get them removed before his season closure. My bad. :roll: what a bunch of Fbags

Moose, you need to re-read the law. It seams pretty iron clad to me. First, you can't bait during prescribed times and you can't take animals that are traveling to or from a baited area.

Why must some people always look for some "loophole" in a law just so they can try and gain some advantage? It is thinking like this and actions by people of this mind set that make it necessary to pass laws in the first place. Laws are generally passed to make certain people act properly in society.

Take for example your thinking on the cameras. So, you lost the keys to the lock boxes, so I guess it's OK to just leave up the cameras...I can just imagine what the judge would say..."well geez, go ahead and leave 'em up then, sounds fair to me". If I park my car right in front of your driveway and I loose the keys, is it OK to just leave it there for ever?? Come on man, think.

Course, I know this is probably just the troll coming out in you as are many of your posts...well, it worked.

 

[CPAjeff]

Those poor insta-famous hunters, how are they going to keep their followers without posting the "giant," "stud," or "monster" they have hitting their baits?!?

Honestly, I like the bill! Imagine if it included a provision that any camera found during the banned timeframe could be removed by any individual . . .

 

[Vanilla]

Imagine if it included a provision that any camera found during the banned timeframe could be removed by any individual . . .

I've said this before, but this is the only way this type of law could be enforceable. Put in the law that any camera left in the field after said dates is legally deemed abandoned property. The only way this gets policed is by other hunters.

Losing all your cameras seems like a good incentive to follow the law. You know, the carrot and the stick?

 

[Airborne]

I like this proposed law. This is going to level the playing field so to speak and I think will increase opportunity which is a great thing. Anyone who claims this law is government overreach or 'takin away our rights' is full of baloney! Hunting equipment has always had legal limitations, this is a reaction to modern 'advances' to maintain the ideals of fair chase or at least how we decide to define it.

Let's not get caught up in the slippery slope fallacy--take this for what it is but don't straw man the arguments for or against

 

[MrShane]

What is the difference between a trail cam left on public property versus an old pop can or water bottle that someone left on the same public property?

 

[PBH]

What is the difference between a trail cam left on public property versus an old pop can or water bottle that someone left on the same public property?

Nothing! They all need to be packed out! And take your pop-up tent blind with you!

Pack it in --> Pack it out!

 

[SaltyWalty]

Moose, you need to re-read the law. It seams pretty iron clad to me. First, you can't bait during prescribed times and you can't take animals that are traveling to or from a baited area.

Why must some people always look for some "loophole" in a law just so they can try and gain some advantage? It is thinking like this and actions by people of this mind set that make it necessary to pass laws in the first place. Laws are generally passed to make certain people act properly in society.

Take for example your thinking on the cameras. So, you lost the keys to the lock boxes, so I guess it's OK to just leave up the cameras...I can just imagine what the judge would say..."well geez, go ahead and leave 'em up then, sounds fair to me". If I park my car right in front of your driveway and I loose the keys, is it OK to just leave it there for ever?? Come on man, think.

Course, I know this is probably just the troll coming out in you as are many of your posts...well, it worked.

way to tell the boomer, i think i need to take re-trolling lessons from you

"Don't get your cussed little butt in a tangle and meme on"

 

[Natural Born Killer]

Like this is a normal???

Like this is a normal??? outlaw the DAMNED things!