[Stickboy]

If you are looking for a "crackdown" instead of reasonable safety regulation, keep dreaming up things like "intrafamilia transfers of 80% r's". If you make it so no simple solution can work, guess what you are going to get?

Trooper my comment was inferring that LT was not correct in his assertion that 80%'rs can be transferred/inherited. Personally I have nothing against anyone who takes on the ownership of personally constructed weapons, but they are not for me. At least half LEO's are flat not familiar with them. If you are stopped and your weapon inspected for safety purposes, they see no serial number a wig out. Not worth the hassle for me. As I understand it however, under NO circumstances can you transfer a weapon you built from an 80% lower, unless you are licensed to do so. Not even intrafamilia. For anyone considering taking on the venture of an 80% build, please consult a GOOD firearms litigator....period. It is worth a half hour of attorneys fees.

 

[Stickboy]

I already gave you an example, one of the best by the way.

I'll deffer to La Pierre and Obama on the rest, as it has already been detailed quite eloquently by BP.

Plain and simple, some people should not be allowed to own fire arms. Like has been mentioned here, some people think I should not be able to. But if that question of fitness is well defined and agreed upon, with due process for recourse, then we start to address the elephant in the room, which is that some people should not be able to own firearms.

This is not a question of the proletariat, or egalitarian access to rights. If we keep throwing our selves in the same category as those on a terrorist watch list(I'm guessing most should be on there) then that's where we are telling the world that we belong, while making the "law abiding gun owner" argument, it does not add up.

It's like people in the MJ legalization movement(I hate to use the analogy) that put some stoner out there telling us half coherently how "you can make rope out of it", while being stoned out of their minds. As long as we play the paranoid, persecuted role, that's what we are going to get, and much of it by the design of some people.

Out..........................

Ok I think I can start making out the picture, still a little fuzzy though.

It is your perspective that we should include other classification of folks in the prohibited to own section. Set down with the stake holders, build a consensus on the additional folks that should not own. Provide for this new class due process and recourse. Sublet to universal background checks nation wide for all transactions. By doing this firearm related deaths will decline by "X" percent. At the culmination of said decline, Bloomy will now lift and shift anytown's focus on Soda Pop and the remaining gun owners will be left alone in peace. We would no longer be harassed with the need for further "regulation".

I just don't see that as realistic, even without my tinfoil on.

What do you do about the stolen/illegal weapons in circulation? This market feeds the socioeconomically diverse inner city crowd. Those folks are gonna still be bangin'. I just can't see making a dent in that portion of the firearm deaths.

Care to help the trees become more focused? What am I missing?

 

[Mr Muleskinner]

Ok I think I can start making out the picture, still a little fuzzy though.

It is your perspective that we should include other classification of folks in the prohibited to own section. Set down with the stake holders, build a consensus on the additional folks that should not own. Provide for this new class due process and recourse. Sublet to universal background checks nation wide for all transactions. By doing this firearm related deaths will decline by "X" percent. At the culmination of said decline, Bloomy will now lift and shift anytown's focus on Soda Pop and the remaining gun owners will be left alone in peace. We would no longer be harassed with the need for further "regulation".

I just don't see that as realistic, even without my tinfoil on.

What do you do about the stolen/illegal weapons in circulation? This market feeds the socioeconomically diverse inner city crowd. Those folks are gonna still be bangin'. I just can't see making a dent in that portion of the firearm deaths.

Care to help the trees become more focused? What am I missing?

Nothing.

There are some people here and all over America that seem to think that we must give up some rights or collectively choose which ones are not as important as others so we can protect the ones that we absolutely must have. More socialism anybody?

These same people also willingly admit and seem somewhat comfortable with the fact now that current laws are not enforced properly to begin with. They have grown comfortable enough with this fact that they have now decided to give in to those unwilling to force real change and join their ranks just in the hope of naming something.......anything.......Progress.

They like that word because they want to believe that they are "doers"...."thinkers"....they are "progressive". They will fight until the end of time to keep from being labeled what they really are and have claimed to have hated since they "got involved" with anything.

SELLOUTS!