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Sorry for the way I have to post this. I haven't found a link to the article, so I had to post it as a picture. If you do all of your internet browsing on your phone, I have no idea if you will be able to view the article in a large enough format that will allow you to read it on your phone. I am still trying to get a link to the article and will post it if I can find it.

In the mean time, I would think you'd want to try to attend the meeting on Sep 29th at 6:00 PM at the Ogden Valley Library to hear for your self what is planned for Pineview from the Ogden Ranger District (Sean Harwood) and voice your concerns. This is important for all of us that want to use Pineview year-round. I'm fairly certain that for most of you, the USFS view of adequate year-round access to Pineview is different than yours.



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I found this article:

 

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I didn't get a link to the published article, but I did get a text copy of the article which I am publishing below.

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Forest Service Announces Plans for Pineview Reservoir

A community meeting will be held September 29 at 6:00 p.m. at the Ogden Valley Library in Huntsville with the Forest Service. Ogden District Ranger Sean Harwood will present information about the “Pineview Reservoir Recreation Complex Reconstruction Project.” There will be ample time for comments and questions from the public.

This project will be completed in phases. Due to the Great American Outdoors Act, which was signed into law in 2020, the Ogden Ranger District has received abundant funding from our tax dollars to improve infrastructure and “enhance visitor experiences.”

Phase One includes improving Cemetery Point. Improvements will begin September 12 and are expected to be finished sometime in December 2022. This project will require heavy equipment to dig up some areas and move dirt to washout areas along the beaches. The road to the cemetery will be heavily used and may be closed temporarily on some days depending on equipment activity.

Phase One will also improve the facilities at the Pineview Trailhead (Windsurfer Beach) and Port Ramp, Spring Creek, Pelican Beach, and Anderson Cove. These construction projects are not expected to begin until 2024.

Phase One also provides for the Bureau of Land Management, in coordination with the Forest Service, to execute a federal authority land survey for the perimeter of Pineview Reservoir. The Forest Service wants to reestablish the extent of federal land title and to define the property lines between the National Forest System land and other ownerships in relation to well recognized points of reference. Monuments to mark the boundaries will be placed based on the survey.

One Huntsville resident stated, “I think it’s pretty clear where the Forest Service property line is around Pineview. We have been their neighbors for close to 30 years in Huntsville and we know the property line. There was a fence when we bought it and there’s still a fence in the exact same place.”

Last May Ogden District Ranger Harwood met with Huntsville residents who own property adjacent to Pineview to notify them of the upcoming survey. At that meeting residents were informed the project would include blocking all access to Pineview, except for fee collection sites such as Cemetery Point, Middle Inlet, Anderson Cove, and Port Ramp. All entrance points from private property to Pineview would be blocked year-round. It was stated at that meeting Pineview would eventually be fenced off along the boundary line and the only access points would be fee collection sites during the summer months. And during the off-season months, the only access point would be Anderson Cove.

Huntsville residents are neighbors to Pineview, along with all other Ogden Valley residents who live near and around the Pineview Reservoir. They believe they are good neighbors. During the busy summer months, they tolerate the constant noise from boats on the reservoir all day and late into the night. Huntsville residents who live along the lake have had cars parked on their lawns and trash left on their property from summer crowds accessing the reservoir across private property. It is understood that access points need to be managed during the summer months, and Huntsville has taken that step to help the Forest Service. During the summer months, all access points from Huntsville Town only allow parking with a Huntsville Town parking pass, and Huntsville Town employs someone to manage those parking areas.

But what about the other nine months of the year? Pineview is quiet and not crowded. Those who do walk along the shores during that time are not harming Pineview. In fact, they often help clean the shoreline by picking up trash. Huntsville and Ogden Valley residents believe they are good neighbors to Pineview and to the Forest Service. Is this a way to treat good neighbors by blocking access to those who enjoy and love Pineview year-round. Should the Forest Service block the public from accessing public lands?

Pineview is a popular ice-fishing spot in the winter. One of the best access points for ice-fishing is Cemetery Point. When the water is low at the end of the summer season, as it often is, there is still plenty of ice from the Cemetery Point access because it is a peninsula that juts out into the middle of the reservoir and offers access to both the north and south sides of the reservoir. Cemetery Point also has an established parking lot.

On the other hand, Anderson Cove often has no water by the time the winter season arrives, after a dry summer, and only accesses the south side of the reservoir. Port Ramp has been open year-round in the past. Now, as of last May, it has a locked gate and plans are to keep it locked during the off-season.

For the past two winters the Forest Service has locked the gate to the parking lot at Cemetery Point and, according to the Forest Service, there are no plans to open it in the future for winter ice fishing. Cemetery Point’s parking lot had been open and used during the winter for over forty years and now it is locked. Does this make sense to use Anderson Cove as the only winter access and not Cemetery Point or Port Ramp?

This Forest Service project is intended to improve 16 recreation sites around Pineview. Does this include cleaning up the “decommissioned” Jefferson Hunt campground that used taxpayer dollars to destroy facilities that were built using taxpayer dollars? The facilities, which consisted of sturdy metal picnic tables on concrete slabs, were destroyed with heavy equipment and have been lying there in piles of twisted metal and broken concrete for over two years.

The Forest Service has received funding through 2025 and it seems they want to use it to block access to Pineview year-round for its good neighbors in Ogden Valley.

The meeting on September 29 is our chance to ask the Forest Service the important questions of how their plan will enhance our experience with our public lands.
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I also got some updated information from the Ogden Ranger District that indicates that the Ogden Valley News article was partially incorrect. Here is the Ogden Ranger District update information.

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At the time the information for winter use at Pineview went to The Ogden Valley News, Utah Recreation Company (URC) and I were still in discussion about what would be open. The yearly operating plan listed Anderson Cove as the access for winter use and that is what I went with. Since that time, the boat ramp at Anderson has come out of the water, which is usually the case unless we have a really good water year. So in order to make the lake available to water craft, URC has agreed to keep Port Ramp open until it is closed by the winter weather. Once the weather closes the ramp, Anderson will be open for winter access for ice fishing and other lake activities, skiing, skating, whatever. We just received this proposal from URC this week and haven’t had time to get the word out. Thanks for bringing this up and we really need to give URC credit for stepping up and making this happen.
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In the continuing saga of ‘Pineview Reservoir’, I called the Utah Recreation Company (URC) and asked them to further clarify the muddied waters. I hope all y’all are sittin’ down.

The Port Ramp will, in fact remain open until winter weather sets in. URC estimates this will likely happen in December. When the Port Ramp gate is closed and locked, the winter access point will be shifted to Anderson Cove. Here’s the really bad news. The absolutely obscene daily entrance fee of $18 WILL be collected each and every day you access Pineview via either venue.

If you bought a season pass for Pineview last Spring, like a few of my friends did, be advised that is called a ‘SEASON’ pass and not an ‘ANNUAL’ pass. And the boating ‘SEASON’ ends this month (September 2022). So going forward into October, November, and beyond, it will cost you $18/day to access Pineview and fish.

It is unknown by this reporter if URC will be charging you double fees ($36) if you show up in January with 2 snow machines on one trailer like I was told they did if you showed up with 2 jet-skies on one trailer during the boating 'SEASON.'

There you have it boys & girls. Your federal government agency hard at work on your behalf. Remember, the agency is asking for public input at a meeting on September 29th. Will you be there?
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It is sad that it has come to these proposals. The Ogden Ranger District certainly has its hands full trying to manage use particularly around Pineview. Contracting out services is supposed to reduce costs. I guess not.
My use has consisted of an occasional walk around the shore line mid winter. Certainly not worth the fees.

As for the meeting unfortunately I'm using that day to take advantage of the limited time to hunt muzzle loader deer. Any link to submit comments?
 

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Any link to submit comments?
None that I'm aware of at the moment. I have been led to believe that there may be a call for comments shortly after the Sep 29th meeting. If I see or hear anything on this I will pass it along.
 

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I worked at Pineview for two full summers doing Quagga decontaminations and have seen first hand the struggles of managing this reservoir. For starters, Utah Recreation Company now "Go Camp Utah" is owned by a much larger company in California known as Basecamp Hospitality. My first summer there was the first summer they took over the contract but many of the employees, nearly all retired couples, remained from the previous company. Many of them felt that the new company was out of touch due to their size and distance away from what was going on locally. On top of that the forest service generally only has one ranger available for the entire reservoir and that causes and immense amount of problems when you have a reservoir full of 300+ boats at any given time. Anderson cove campground is consistently one of the most used Forest Service campgrounds in the nation and requires significant staff to keep that afloat. The DNR can't afford to fill each ramp with AIS technicians during the full boating season and quite frankly even if they could they are treated so poorly by the public that hardly anyone lasts the full season or comes back for another year. The infrastructure at each of the ramps is also decaying, especially Port. This all combines to form quite the problem. I think the Forest Service is doing an admirable job considering the impossible task they are faced with and if I knew for certain that the vast majority of the expensive daily fees were going back to the really wonderful employees of Utah Rec I would gladly pay it. Unfortunately I think there is some greed within Basecamp Hospitality and that is where the frustrations should be directed. Fencing off the reservoir will help isolate many issues and give the DNR/Forest Service a better chance to do their job more effectively. I do worry it will increase collisions with wildlife on the roads though. The price of the access is a major bummer and needs to be negotiated. I do not envy the task they are faced with. I do hope they complete construction of designated decontamination stations to save water and those poor techs from constantly burning themselves with the portable units. Rant over.
 
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