[ntrl_brn_rebel]

I have spoken to Eve Davies with Pacificorp, she is over the Cutler Recreational Area and have invited her here to share some insight on some things she as shared with me this morning about restrictions and Permanent Blinds, I know I was wrong on a few items and was glad to talk to her

Email I sent to her

Dear Ms. Davies-

I talked to you on the phone awhile ago about restrictions at cutler. We (the waterfowlers) would love to be enlightened on the rules out there, what is happening, if Permanant Blinds are allowed or if they must be removed before the end of the season, Horse Power Restictions, Wakeless speed, things of that nature.

When I say this I speak for almost all of us- We deeply appreciate what you guys do for waterfowl and other wildlife with Cutler. It is a great thing for all of us to enjoy but information can be very hard, almost impossible to find out there, with most of it being hearsay, or based off the way it was three or four years ago. 99% of us love this sport and conservation of wildlife, and want this place around for our kids to use. None of us want to see it shut down becuase of lack of knowledge, or to know that a bad apple ruined it for everyone.

These are a few sites where waterfowlers from all over the state discuss items such as this and we would love to have you join us-

http://bullockoutdoors.freeforums.org/index.php

http://utahwildlife.net/forum//

These are free Forums, with most issues regarding Cutler under the Waterfowl Section. I will start a new topic regarding this and please enlighten us-

Sincerley,

TRAVIS HOBBS

I hope she will join us and set the record straight on what exactly is going on out there, she seems like a great lady that is very knowledgeable and going to treat everyone as fair as possible while keeping the wildlife in mind.

 

[dkhntrdstn]

Hey that sound pretty good i hope she does come on here. i have got a couple Q to ask her. Im going to work on my email this after noon to send to them.

 

[dubob]

Travis,

Please post up here her email address. I'd like to email her with the same concerns I sent to Mr. Dixon. Thanks.

 

[ntrl_brn_rebel]

Eve recently contacted me again, she was having a little trouble logging on but said she would try again tonight after some meetings she was attending, I hope we hear from her then.

 

[ntrl_brn_rebel]

Travis,

Please post up here her email address. I'd like to email her with the same concerns I sent to Mr. Dixon. Thanks.

Im not so sure she wants her email public, but I will ask her, or maybe she will go ahead and post it up when she logs on.

 

[dkhntrdstn]

thats cool.Im looking forward to her post and hopefuly we can get this taken care of soon and get stuff back the right way.

 

[Riverrat77]

thats cool.Im looking forward to her post and hopefuly we can get this taken care of soon and get stuff back the right way.

I'm sure this will make me appear anti waterfowling, just as it did on the DWR site but have you guys ever stopped to consider that there is more invested in Cutler than just waterfowl hunting? In your eagerness to run right out and change everyones mind about the restrictions, you're totally overlooking that maybe they just don't want to change them..... :idea: I'm pretty sure they had a good idea what they were doing when they put the regs in place. Maybe Pacificorp will just tighten things up if they get pestered too much... and make it a motorless area.... or just say ok, scratch this... no hunting period. Geez... there are an awful lot of folks who sure take their hunting priveleges and access for granted around here. I'd hate to see what happens if for some reason Pacificorp takes the waterfowl hunting snowglobe and decides to give it a good shake..... :roll:

I know another guy was in the middle of posting on this when the DWR forums got shut down and yeah, I remember the reception his point of view got.... but I just don't care.... some of you folks seem so concerned about your "rights" or whatever that you couldn't see the big picture if it was engraved on your eyeballs. Man, I hope Pacificorp is receptive to this whole "we'll get em with our numbers of dissent" approach so many waterfowlers are advocating. :?

 

[dkhntrdstn]

we are just trying to find out why they are doing what they did after all of these years. if we just sit back and dont say nothing then we will all lose some it to gether and im mean all of us that mean us waterfowlers. Logan dont got much up there to hunt waterfowl on. about and try to find out what going on. all we want to know why now.and so on.

 

[hairy1]

Stirring the pot again Riley?

 

[RJ-Max4]

Some folks just have to put there 00.2 cents on every post. :twisted:

 

[Riverrat77]

Some folks just have to put there 00.2 cents on every post. :twisted:

Sorry guys... shouldn't have wasted two seconds to reply to this.... :roll: My fault.

 

[RJ-Max4]

:mrgreen:

 

[Riverrat77]

Stirring the pot again Riley?

Hairy... (wish there was a deep sigh smiley), I'm just a non conformist I guess.... I'm just not so eager to jump right on the "bust down the doors" bandwagon. If they want to change things, they will... but I'm glad that "rebel" didn't post up that ladies email.... she doesn't deserve the storm of emails that I'm positive would flow her way.... and I'm sure most of the folks that send them wouldn't be praising her for her insight. Sure, some guys would write something intelligent and well thought out but you and I know (even though we might be on opposite sides of this discussion) that some fool would send something that would be such a turnoff that it would ruin it for everyone else that has a valid interest in the place. So yeah.... I guess because I have a different opinion than anyone else, I'm stirring the pot. Don't worry, big brother is already aware and will keep this discussion under control. :|

 

[Donttreadonme]

Man, I hope Pacificorp is receptive to this whole "we'll get em with our numbers of dissent" approach so many waterfowlers are advocating. :?

I'm certain it will work if everyone remains diplomatic and cordial about it. I believe PacifiCorp, like most companies, cares about public opinion. If people submit their opinion like Travis and others have PacifiCorp will listen. If people are belligerent and rude then you are right it will take things in the wrong direction. Sitting back and saying "oh well we'll just live with it" isn't the best way to have your opinion herd. The people who have posted on here and the now defunct DWR forum were right that some of the regulations seem redundant. If we can peacefully convey that to the powers that be they will listen to what we have to say and respond accordingly.

just my .02 worth

 

[Riverrat77]

Man, I hope Pacificorp is receptive to this whole "we'll get em with our numbers of dissent" approach so many waterfowlers are advocating. :?

I'm certain it will work if everyone remains diplomatic and cordial about it. I believe PacifiCorp, like most companies, cares about public opinion. If people submit their opinion like Travis and others have PacifiCorp will listen. If people are belligerent and rude then you are right it will take things in the wrong direction. Sitting back and saying "oh well we'll just live with it" isn't the best way to have your opinion herd. The people who have posted on here and the now defunct DWR forum were right that some of the regulations seem redundant. If we can peacefully convey that to the powers that be they will listen to what we have to say and respond accordingly.

just my .02 worth

Hey Joel, I totally agree with you. I don't think that this "if everyone remains diplomatic and cordial about it." is very realistic. Just look at the reaction (well, I guess we can't now) that the guy got on the DWR forum when he posted a response against what everyone else thought.... I'd love to see his PM box.... 8)

 

[hairy1]

Stirring the pot again Riley?

Hairy... (wish there was a deep sigh smiley), I'm just a non conformist I guess.... I'm just not so eager to jump right on the "bust down the doors" bandwagon. If they want to change things, they will... but I'm glad that "rebel" didn't post up that ladies email.... she doesn't deserve the storm of emails that I'm positive would flow her way.... and I'm sure most of the folks that send them wouldn't be praising her for her insight. Sure, some guys would write something intelligent and well thought out but you and I know (even though we might be on opposite sides of this discussion) that some fool would send something that would be such a turnoff that it would ruin it for everyone else that has a valid interest in the place. So yeah.... I guess because I have a different opinion than anyone else, I'm stirring the pot. Don't worry, big brother is already aware and will keep this discussion under control. :|

Riley, I like you and I think you know that.
I know from your posts that your a non conformist.
But to protect the sport that we all love we need to band together.
The anti's wouldn't be as strong as they are by expressing themselves singley
They know that if you want to get something accomplished you need to band together.
Whether you agree or disagree on every aspect of what hunters are fighting for sometimes it is better to bite your lip and fight for the big picture.

signed,
Lovin life in Happy Valley

 

[birdboy]

I have not ever hunted Cutler and I do not see myself up there anytime soon. Therefore I have no idea what they are changing and what it was like in the good ole' days.

However it is pretty evident that they made some sort of decision that isn't popular with the hunters.... Someone may have already contacted the Utah Waterfowler Association (UWA) but that is what they started for was to be a voice for the hunter in state.

If they have been contacted are they doing anything about it? If they haven't been contacted those of you that care should contact Steve Early or Carl Taylor.

Just a thought...

 

[Riverrat77]

Man, I wish I could pull up this post from the DWR. Some folks have said they want to know, "why now?".... well if I remember right, it had said on the other topic that it isn't really a matter of why now... these regs have been in place for 3 years (I think) but they just haven't been enforcing them as strictly. Its only a shock because there are new gates, new signs and there will probably be more enforcement. To me, that says that whoever runs the res will be taking this season a little more seriously.... and there won't be any more ignoring the regs and doing whatever we want. There was never an issue until somebody thought their toes were getting stepped on by an entity that doesn't hunt. I think the "its all good" attitude may have put hunters behind the 8 ball on this one.... and its been known for a while. Oooops.... :?

 

[wingmanck]

However it is pretty evident that they made some sort of decision that isn't popular with the hunters.... Someone may have already contacted the Utah Waterfowler Association (UWA) but that is what they started for was to be a voice for the hunter in state.

If they have been contacted are they doing anything about it? If they haven't been contacted those of you that care should contact Steve Early or Carl Taylor.

Just a thought...

+1
I appreciate everyone's concern about the regulations (not new, just publicized better) but I agree that it would be better to have a single voice represent everyone. Everyone's response has been great and that's what it takes sometimes to hold on to what we have. I just think it's more professional to have an "Association" (or whatever) go to bat for large groups of people rather than have everyone flood some poor public relation representative's(who probably doesn't have the power to change things one way or the other anyways)inbox.

Hope it works out for those who hunt there. Although I only live 10 mins away, I'm not one of them, but I do understand the importance of keeping it accessible for those who do.

 

[ntrl_brn_rebel]

Riley-
Just a little background on where I stand on this, I am a fourth generation hunter on cutler and in the benson area. My family is from Benson and I grew up hunting out there and that was all we knew. I have a serious love for hunting out there and I can tell you that why you might want to sit back and watch, Im going to try to voice my opinion. Your right, there will be someone who gets boligerant, and thats exactly why her email was not put on here. You are also right in the fact PacifiCorp could pull the plug any second and end it for everyone.
I knew about the Motor Restrictions, and I was against it, but, the hardest part for me was the wakeless restrictions from October 1st to March 31st up North, to me, that makes very little sence. Anyone from around Utah and that spends anytime in the Marsh knows that waterfowl are nesting between April and the end of May, with chicks still pretty plentiful into June. If they wanted to put wakeless restrictions to help protect wildlife, why is it they do not extend into at least June????