Well said....just look at their smiling faces in that picture. So happy with themselves after leaving a 6x7 bull to waste that most of us; myself included dream about for 60 nights leading up to the elk hunt. That picture made me want to puke. Loss of hunting privileges and fines are a joke. Mandatory 5 years in jail...now we're talking. That would hurt enough to make them think twice before doing that again.Why would "loss of hunting privileges" even matter to such people? They are not hunters - they don't care about seasons or season limits. They are poachers, and while I think loss of privileges still needs to be part of the punishment mix, the actual penalties, whether monetary, community service, or jail time, need to be increased and made to have some teeth.
This is a good point. Banning these types from packing will affect their lifestyle and their activities more than fines, loss of legal hunting privileges, or even a short stint in jail.Convict them on felonies and they'll never be able to pack a gun again; and if they get caught doing so while poaching, it's that much more to convict on... Sheesh!
I guess I was never included in any of those studies. I can't tell you you how many times I have chosen against doing something because of the penalty. Drunk driving being one of them. I have also lived in remote third world countries that have removed a hand of a thief. Don't think for a second that it does not deter a lot of theft.One thing that people need to realize that enhancing penalties in an attempt to deter the conduct for the vast majority of people simply does not work. This has been shown in study after study.
What 'we the people' of Utah need to do is determine what we think is the appropriate punishment for these types of crimes, and insist on our elected officials making those punishments the law. There are always going to be poachers, just like there will always be people willing to murder, rape, smoke crack, drive drunk or steal your stuff. The punishment is never going to deter the action. But we can punish them accordingly.
Make your voices heard to your legislators. Insist on changes.
This assumes that rape is an act to satisfy sexual urges, which is not the case. There are other reasons creeps do it and ways for them to still achieve those sick goals.Remove the gonads of a rapist and see how many more rapes they commit.
I'm not in favor of putting people in prison for poaching, or even in jail for long periods of time. (except for may be the worst of the worst)Laws prohibiting actions are nothing more than 1) restrictions on the ethical (e.g. mr muleskinner's example above), or 2) a means of measuring activities of the unethical to provide a legal means to charge criminally.
Further, the unethical can be broken down into two broad groups A) casual offenders, and B) habitual offenders.
Now, before we get all excited to impose mandatory prison terms, there really ought to be a differentiation between the generally ethical, intending to be law-abiding individuals, who screwed up for one reason or another, and the individual who doesn't give a **** what the law says, they will do what they want do if they think they can get away with it (Lost LA's example).
No matter what category a person falls into, the key is ENFORCEMENT. I don't recall EVER seeing one single DNR vehicle anywhere outside of Salt Lake or Davis County urban/residential areas in the last 10+ years I've been in UT. Never once while fishing, hunting, or any other activity - at all. If you have individuals out there, willing to break the law not matter what it says, or the penalty is, if they think they can get away with it, enforcement is the only option. That is severely lacking IMO.
One last thought - before we start throwing people in jail for the long-term (as opposed to an ankle monitor, and a prohibition from leaving populated areas, or other means of preventing further poaching - such as, heaven forbid, enforcing the laws!), perhaps you ought to consider the potential impact on innocent individuals. Children can quickly become victims of their parent's stupidity. If there is a way to control the out of control without preventing them from providing for their families, I'm in favor of that first. Ankle monitors and periodic check-ins for habitual/repeat offenders.