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QDMA Junk Science Regarding Deer

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The Quality Deer Management Association is urging hunters in 7 states to push their legislators to ban deer breeding operations. Here's the press release:

The Quality Deer Management Association (QDMA) is urging hunters in seven states to oppose the expansion of the deer-breeding industry, which QDMA perceives as a growing threat to wild deer and the deer-hunting heritage. Legislation designed to loosen or dismantle regulatory barriers to white-tailed deer breeding and farming is being considered in Georgia, Indiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Tennessee and West Virginia.

“There are no benefits for deer hunters in the growth of the captive deer-breeding industry – only risks,” said Kip Adams, QDMA’s Director of Education & Outreach and a certified wildlife biologist. “It is QDMA’s mission to protect the future of white-tailed deer and our hunting heritage, and we oppose anything that puts those at risk.”

In opposing the proliferation of “deer breeding,” QDMA is referring to captive deer facilities where controlled, artificial breeding technology is used primarily to produce whitetail bucks with enormous, often grotesque antlers – an industry that includes sales of semen, artificially impregnated does, and live bucks to other breeders or to captive deer shooting facilities. Current estimates suggest there are nearly 10,000 deer breeding operations in North America, and the number is growing as the industry pushes to expand into areas where it was historically not legal.

“Some argue this is an innocent endeavor with no negative impacts to wild deer or the everyday deer hunter. As CEO of North America’s leading whitetail conservation organization, I emphatically and unapologetically disagree,” said Brian Murphy, QDMA’s Chief Executive Officer. “Not only does this industry undermine the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation in which wildlife is a public resource, it also threatens the health of wild deer and the public’s perception of hunting.”

The distribution map of chronic wasting disease (CWD) – a fatal disease of deer and elk – suggests the disease likely arrived in several new states through transportation of live deer, either legally or illegally, and not through natural deer movements. Legalizing deer breeding in new areas increases the incentive for illegal transportation of untested animals at a time when these human-aided movements must be stopped. Transporting any captive whitetails is risky, as there is no acceptable and practical live-animal test for CWD. Once CWD appears in wild deer in a new area, slowing the spread of the disease requires costly investigation, testing and surveillance efforts for many years and often requires drastic reductions in deer populations. There is currently no known way to decontaminate an environment once CWD is present.

In more than 40 states, regulatory authority over captive deer facilities is held by state agriculture agencies, or shared between agriculture and wildlife agencies. QDMA recommends that wildlife agencies have sole responsibility because they have more experience with wildlife species and wildlife disease issues, and they fully understand what is at stake with regard to transmission of diseases like CWD to free-ranging deer.

“QDMA’s current effort is to halt expansion of the deer-breeding industry,” said Adams. “We also want sole jurisdiction for existing facilities to remain with or be reassigned to state wildlife agencies. Considering the implications for our hunting heritage, we can’t afford to allow this industry to expand. The ramifications of being wrong are simply too great.”

QDMA is currently urging resident hunters to oppose existing or potential legislation in the following states:

Georgia: House Bill 1043 – Legalizes the importation of live whitetails into Georgia for breeding purposes and creates a permitting system for deer-breeding operations, all under the jurisdiction of the state Department of Agriculture. Current status: House second-readers as of February 22.
Indiana – House Bill 1265 – Provides for the licensing and operations of hunting preserves on which farm-bred, captive deer and elk will be hunted. Current Status – Senator David Long (President Pro Tempore) refused to hear the bill. It remains in committee.
Mississippi – Senate Bills 2554 and 2555 – Legalizes importation of captive deer, semen and embryos and authorizes deer breeding facilities, under the jurisdiction of the state agriculture department. Current Status – Both bills referred to Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks Committee on February 20.
Missouri – House Bill 1375 – Adds deer to the definition of “livestock” for the purposes of the state sales and use tax law, meat inspection law, Missouri Livestock Disease Control and Eradication Law, and the Missouri Livestock Marketing Law. Current Status – House second-readers as of February 22.
North Carolina – Currently at the proposal stage; no bill number yet. The spoken intent is to loosen regulations to allow for expansion of the captive deer industry. A QDMA staff member will attend a board meeting with the North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission in Raleigh on March 7 on this topic.
Tennessee – House Bill 3164 – Present law classifies white-tailed deer as Class IV wildlife, which may only be possessed by zoos, temporary exhibitors, and rehabilitation facilities. This bill adds authorization for possession of white-tailed deer by breeding facilities that receive a permit from the Department of Agriculture to breed or ranch such livestock for purposes determined by the Department. Current Status – Placed on calendar for Agriculture Committee for March 6.
West Virginia – Senate Bill 421 – Captive Cervid Farming Act – Transfers regulatory authority over captive white-tailed deer facilities from the Division of Natural Resources (DNR) to the Department of Agriculture. Current Status – referred to Rules Committee on February 17.
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This is an important issue for big game hunters across America because they use the junk science behind CWD for the reasoning. CWD is real, it's here, but it is not caused by these guys raising & feeding deer & elk. Deer & elk spend their entire lives nose to nose, licking each others body fluids and smelling each others butts. There is absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF that CWD is spread in this manner. In fact, Wyoming & Colorado use CWD as a reason to ban hunting over bait, but they also feed their herds frequently in the winter months-in direct contradiction to the reasoning for their law.
 
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wyoming2utah said:
Sorry, but I totally...100% agree with QDMA on this one. End these deer farms...they are NOT good for deer or for deer hunters!
How is that? Can you give an example?

Can you tell me how pheasant farms have damaged the pheasant species or pheasant hunters?

How about give me one example of how a commercial operation has harmed ANY species of any animal.

How about give me one example of how a commercial operation has hurt one single hunter.

The QDMA doesn't give any examples. They use junk science and feelings to make people support their flawed, anti-hunting, anti property rights agenda.

Chronic wasting disease is real, it's here, it's there, it's not going to explode because some guy is raising deer as his form of making a living. It's not going to go away if the deer farmer is put out of business.
 
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Renegade said:
wyoming2utah said:
Sorry, but I totally...100% agree with QDMA on this one. End these deer farms...they are NOT good for deer or for deer hunters!
How is that? Can you give an example?
Can you tell me how pheasant farms have damaged the pheasant species or pheasant hunters?
How about give me one example of how a commercial operation has harmed ANY species of any animal.
How about give me one example of how a commercial operation has hurt one single hunter.
The QDMA doesn't give any examples. They use junk science and feelings to make people support their flawed, anti-hunting, anti property rights agenda.
Chronic wasting disease is real, it's here, it's there, it's not going to explode because some guy is raising deer as his form of making a living. It's not going to go away if the deer farmer is put out of business.
So what you're saying is that SFW and many of the other organizations claiming to support wildlife are using the same "junk science" for makeing claims about wolves, coyotes, bears, lions, deer, elk, moose, sheep, goats, etc...
 
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TopofUtahArcher said:
Renegade said:
wyoming2utah said:
Sorry, but I totally...100% agree with QDMA on this one. End these deer farms...they are NOT good for deer or for deer hunters!
How is that? Can you give an example?
Can you tell me how pheasant farms have damaged the pheasant species or pheasant hunters?
How about give me one example of how a commercial operation has harmed ANY species of any animal.
How about give me one example of how a commercial operation has hurt one single hunter.
The QDMA doesn't give any examples. They use junk science and feelings to make people support their flawed, anti-hunting, anti property rights agenda.
Chronic wasting disease is real, it's here, it's there, it's not going to explode because some guy is raising deer as his form of making a living. It's not going to go away if the deer farmer is put out of business.
So what you're saying is that SFW and many of the other organizations claiming to support wildlife are using the same "junk science" for makeing claims about wolves, coyotes, bears, lions, deer, elk, moose, sheep, goats, etc...
No. Apples & grenades to this issue.
What I'm saying is that hunting groups have joined forces with anti hunting groups to damage private property rights which in turn will harm hunting rights, and that there has never once been one ounce of proof that CWD is spread by deer eating from a pile of food spilled on the ground.

And since you brought it up, what is the QDMA or any hunting org's stance on commercial breeding operations of wolves, coyotes, bears, lions, elk, sheep, moose, goats, ect?

Have commercial hunting dog breeders decimated hunting dog species?

As far as SFW stance on baiting deer causing CWD-absolutely junk science. States claim that bait piles cause the spread of CWD. Many of the same states feed the same species during the winter months, and those states don't care about feeding those species when it's not hunting season.
 
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I hope the QDMA doesn't branch out and attack the buffalo ranches. It amazes me that some folk here are all about keeping the Gov out of their business, but want the Gov to mess with someone elses business. Can't have it both ways.
 
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The way I see it, it is a privatization of wildlife. The more popular it becomes, it could start adversely affecting public opportunity. It will be a fall back to public hunting as rich folks continue to buy up public land and what public land is left will be managed by trophy groups for high dollar tags.

Am I being too pessimistic?
 
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Renegade said:
This is an important issue for big game hunters across America because they use the junk science behind CWD for the reasoning. CWD is real, it's here, but it is not caused by these guys raising & feeding deer & elk. Deer & elk spend their entire lives nose to nose, licking each others body fluids and smelling each others butts. There is absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF that CWD is spread in this manner...

...As far as SFW stance on baiting deer causing CWD-absolutely junk science. States claim that bait piles cause the spread of CWD. Many of the same states feed the same species during the winter months, and those states don't care about feeding those species when it's not hunting season.
I'm not sure where you're coming from on this one Renegade. Prion-caused diseases, like CWD, are not particularly well understood, but the leading theory regarding transmission vectors is close animal-to-animal contact and exposure to contaminated food and feeding environments. Rock-solid proof, NO. Lot's of good, solid evidence, YES. By the way, as you probably know, CWD was first identified in a captive breeding operation in northeastern Colorado.

As for the hypocrisy of states warning against feeding operations and then proceeding to winter feed, one of main arguments the various state wildlife agencies make against their own winter feeding operations is the increased possibility of disease transmission. Like many areas of wildlife management, wildlife agencies are hit with a tremendous amount of public pressure to feed supposedly starving deer and elk in winter months. The decisions to winter feed or not is a complex one, where many different factors are weighed before a decision is made to begin feeding. In areas where known cases of CWD have occurred, the decision to winter feed is made even more problematic. My guess is that the Utah DWR, for example, would shut down the ongoing Hardware Ranch feeding operation overnight if CWD was detected in Cache or Rich counties.

Call it all junk science if you want. It's easy to throw around those allegations, but backing them up with convincing arguments is another. As I mentioned, prion-caused diseases aren't well understood, but what is known is the result of good scientific investigation, as are the current hypotheses and theories related to them.

I could cite you dozens of references to studies and opinions from leading disease and research groups, but just for starters, here's a link to the U.S. Center for Disease Control page on the subject: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/cwd/. Also, the Utah DWR's page on winter feeding: http://wildlife.utah.gov/dwr/deer-winter-feeding.html.

I'm not at all in favor of the government deciding in a willy-nilly fashion what private enterprise can and can't do. On the other hand, when private operations pose a significant danger to society or, in this case, wildlife populations, it's the government's role to assess the dangers and to take steps to mitigate those dangers. From my perspective, that's exactly what's happening here as these wild deer breeding operations are coming under close scrutiny.
 
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richardjb said:
I hope the QDMA doesn't branch out and attack the buffalo ranches. It amazes me that some folk here are all about keeping the Gov out of their business, but want the Gov to mess with someone elses business. Can't have it both ways.
I am as libertarian as they come, but I am not an anarchist. Government has its role, and even purpose. I am for government intrusion where one person's actions affect another person against their will. My neighbor has one of these 'lovely' elk ranches, and you bet your backside I do NOT want those genetically altered freaks mixing with my livestock or wild elk! Same goes for bison ranches, if they put neighboring cattle ranches at risk, then the government needs to step in. Now, if you want to debate at what level of government this 'intrusion' should come from, I am all for it..........Hint: the federal government should stay completely out of this realm, IMO!