If a person has say 12 points for deer, they Put in with the 12 points, but this would make the 13th app. Correct?

So does that put them in the 13 pt. class?

Anyone know how this works?

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If a person has say 12 points for deer, they Put in with the 12 points, but this would make the 13th app. Correct?

So does that put them in the 13 pt. class?

Anyone know how this works?

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A guy with 13 points going into this years draw would have 14 chances at getting a low number.

Getting points only builds you towards MAX points. Once you have MAX points you have a 50/50 chance of getting your tag as half the tags in a unit are given to MAX point holders. The rest of the tags go into the hat where everyone has an equal chance at them, no matter how many points you have.

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Not exactly! While it's true that you end up with only one number (your lowest) in the public draw, prior to the public draw you do get one chance to draw that number for every point you have earned, plus one additional chance for your current application. And that number is used for the public draws before and after the 50/50 rule is applied. So the applicants with the higher points ALWAYS have the better chance to draw the permits. Of course, that's the way the bonus point system works. The preference point system is a little different.

Getting points only builds you towards MAX points. Once you have MAX points you have a 50/50 chance of getting your tag as half the tags in a unit are given to MAX point holders. The rest of the tags go into the hat where everyone has an equal chance at them, no matter how many points you have.

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Making it up doesn't count.You guys believe what you want. I know what I know, and I know where I got my info

Pretty sure...

I think the only people with Max points would be the couple still trying for that antelope island deer permit, with no bonus permit available. Lol

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So, tell us your source and we'll decide if your source has more credibility than our sources!You guys believe what you want. I know what I know, and I know where I got my info

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The DWR did a lot better job of explaining how Bonus points work in the drawing in previous versions of the guidebook. Here's the explanation from the 2010 version:You guys believe what you want. I know what I know, and I know where I got my info

As far as how many random numbers you'll be assigned, I'll trust what the written law says:How your bonus points work

Fifty percent (odd numbers are rounded

down) of the permits for each hunt unit number

are set aside for applicants who have the most

bonus points.

Before the drawing takes place, a computer

randomly assigns a drawing number to you for

each species you applied for. The computer also

randomly assigns a drawing number to you for

each bonus point you have for the species you're

applying for. After the computer has randomly

assigned your numbers to you, it takes the lowest

number you received, and that's the number you'll

use in the drawing. The lower your number, the

better your chance at drawing a permit.

R657-62-8 said:(5)(a) Each applicant receives a random drawing number for:

(i) each species applied for; and

(ii) each bonus point for that species.

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For the people in the "Max Point" pool, your draw odds are based on how many other people are also in the "max point" pool. It's not necessarily 50/50.

Getting points only builds you towards MAX points. Once you have MAX points you have a 50/50 chance of getting your tag as half the tags in a unit are given to MAX point holders. The rest of the tags go into the hat where everyone has an equal chance at them, no matter how many points you have.

Simple example:

60 total permits = 30 permits set aside for Max Point holders.

Point distribution

11 points - 2 applicants

10 points - 5 applicants

09 points - 9 applicants

08 points - 10 applicants

07 points - 15 applicants

06 points - 20 applicants

05 points - 22 applicants

04 points - 15 applicants

03 points - 30 applicants

02 points - 44 applicants

01 points - 76 applicants

00 points - 128 applicants

The "Max Point" pool will be people with 7 points or more. Since there are only 26 applicants with 8 or more points, and 30 permits set aside for the max point holders, all applicants with 8 or more points will receive permits. (Edit: So 8 or more points = 100% chance of drawing) Since there are 4 remaining reserved permits, the people with 7 points will have a 4 in 15 or 27% chance of drawing.

For the 30 remaining permits, everyone who has not received a permit (all applicants with 0-6 points and anyone with 7 points that didn't draw in the "Max Point" pool drawing) will receive a random number for each of their points AND their current application. Each applicant then enters the drawing using their lowest assigned number only. Permits are then awarded starting with the lowest number until all permits are gone.

So more points = more random number = better chance to be assigned a low number = better chance of getting a permit.

Here's the portion of the Law that show how the bonus permits are allocated:

R658-62-8 said:(4)(a) Fifty percent of the permits for each hunt unit will be reserved for applicants with the greatest number of bonus points.

(b) Based on the applicant's first choice, the reserved permits will be designated by a random drawing number to eligible applicants with the greatest number of bonus points for each species.

(c) If reserved permits remain, the reserved permits will be designated by a random number to eligible applicants with the next greatest number of bonus points for each species.

(d) The procedure in Subsection (c) will continue until all reserved permits are issued or no applications for that species remain.

(e) Any reserved permits remaining and any applicants who are not selected for reserved permits will be returned to the applicable drawing.

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What's up with you guys ruining a good discussion with facts?

I respect those that brought the hard facts (believe me, I ran a regression test and posted about it last year to prove out the draw odds), but I'll bet that brettb is more fun to have in deer camp.

+1000

I respect those that brought the hard facts (believe me, I ran a regression test and posted about it last year to prove out the draw odds), but I'll bet that brettb is more fun to have in deer camp.

Why is everyone being so nice lately?

Just think, if Lonetree would have just presented the facts in the first place instead of calling everyone a stupid retard for not knowing the facts.

He probably would have gotten more support.-O,-

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shut up ridgetop, you fat lard! :mrgreen: quit being so reasonable!

That's better. :mrgreen:shut up ridgetop, you fat lard! :mrgreen: quit being so reasonable!

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