SFW feeling the pressure?

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Discussion Starter · Dec 21, 2015 (Edited)

I haven't read through it yet, but SFW just posted this not too long ago, never seen them release anything before:

http://sfw.net/2015/12/21/sfw-issues-statement-on-200-expo-tags-award/

It amazes me they try to slander other groups but the amount they've spent that has been raised from 100% public tags. Any group that was given as many tags as they have been would have performed just as well.

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DallanC

· #2 · Dec 21, 2015

THEY USED PIE CHARTS SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!! Pie charts cannot lie.

-DallanC

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johnnycake

· #3 · Dec 21, 2015

Hardly, that reads as nothing more than gloating and ignoring the fact that they only contributed what they have due to the 200 public tags they benefit from. It is like someone telling you to be grateful that they are giving you $150 after you "gave" them $1000.

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wileywapati

· #4 · Dec 21, 2015

Minus the redacted parts it's the same propaganda they've spouted for the
last decade.

Basically what it says is that SFW knows how to spend money garnered from a
public resource better than the Legal Steward of the Public resource.

Translated = SFW is the loan officer for the Division.

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mtnrunner260

· #5 · Dec 21, 2015

I wonder if that pie chart would be the same if all the organization's received the same amount of tags to sell. I think sfw has more pages listing tags than Sci has tags total.

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LostLouisianian

· #6 · Dec 21, 2015

wileywapati said:
Minus the redacted parts it's the same propaganda they've spouted for the
last decade.

Basically what it says is that SFW knows how to spend money garnered from a
public resource better than the Legal Steward of the Public resource.

Translated = SFW is the loan officer for the Division.

Not only that, the loans are for 100 years and you don't have to repay them either....

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RandomElk16

· #7 · Dec 21, 2015

The don't include the $4 Million for Sage Grouse that went to an attorney.. You know how them darn guys are, "fees". Right Johnnycake

jk..

I mean.. Just google Ryan Benson. Each link involves bucket fulls of money. We are fighting WOLVES with this? We have one of the most respected Wolf Trail Cam organizations in the state, better yet the entire western region, on this here forum and how many wolves reside in the state? Sage grouse? That's a topic you hear a lot right?

They "provide" less than they take....

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High Desert Elk

· #8 · Dec 21, 2015 (Edited)

Of course they've raised more money for UT than any other organization. Hard to compete when a collusion creates a monopoly. Almost sounds like a taking to me...

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Kwalk3

· #9 · Dec 21, 2015

Is there any record of exactly how much of the money represented in the almighty pie chart that came directly from the sale of the 200 tags?

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hazmat

· #10 · Dec 21, 2015

There feeling the pressure so much they are all going to go to there private Alaskan hunting retreat paid for by Utah'ns dollars

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Old Fudd

· #11 · Dec 22, 2015

Any difference between these GOONS and the DWR? Or any Wildlife Cash Crop Crew.?

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RandomElk16

· #12 · Dec 22, 2015

hazmat said:
There feeling the pressure so much they are all going to go to there private Alaskan hunting retreat paid for by Utah'ns dollars

That's funny because one of the SFW high ups was just at a private pheasant ranch in Nebraska with anether corrupt Utahn.. and it isn't a cheap place. He has money though. Administration fees or something like that...

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Lonetree

· #13 · Dec 22, 2015

RandomElk16 said:
That's funny because one of the SFW high ups was just at a private pheasant ranch in Nebraska with anether corrupt Utahn.. and it isn't a cheap place. He has money though. Administration fees or something like that...

You saw that too huh?

Here is the deal, its done, they own it. They have for going on 20 years now, with nothing to show for it. With ownership comes responsibility. MDF and SFW have done what for hunters? They have done what for wildlife? Yeah, I've seen the charts, show me the trend lines. Hunters? down.....Deer numbers?........down.......Pheasant numbers?......down...... Yet the last 20 years has seen more money "for wildlife" than the 100 years prior. These aren't conservationists, they never have been. They are money launderers, and the hunter and wildlife numbers prove it.

All this does is solidify the fact that SFW, MDF, and the DWR are absolutely crooked. And with that absolution comes absolute responsibility. The DWR has no excuses anymore for the way they get beat up on, they are beholden to these groups, and therefor deserve the responsibility and burden that comes with that. I feel bad for the rank and file, because they are the ones that end up taking the heat for the lack of legitimacy that has been hung around their necks.

Do you know how you can tell legitimate endeavors from scams and welfare recipients? Merit and results. In a legitimate economy if you can't show a return or progress, you get left by the wayside. Your stock drops, or we kick you off the dole. But not in Utah, in Utah, the more you take, and the less you return, the greater your reward. And that's all these guys are, parasites(orgs) latched to a tumor(DWR) that needs to be lanced, before it all goes septic.

I don't see that happening anytime soon, but when that fever comes on, and it all goes bad........We know exactly why, and where that responsibility lay, there is no avoiding that. Time is the revelator.

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