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Probably some anti-hunters doing it to make hunters look bad. I'm sure most people who hunt, carry firearms, and enjoy the outdoors would not do something like this. Too much of this going on now days.
 

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Probably some anti-hunters doing it to make hunters look bad. I'm sure most people who hunt, carry firearms, and enjoy the outdoors would not do something like this. Too much of this going on now days.
Yeah, and school/campus shootings are committed by anti-gun activists, and abortion clinics/docs are attacked by pro-choice folks, and .... mmmmmm .... liberals made Trump and Carson run to make Republicans look bad?????

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Probably some anti-hunters doing it to make hunters look bad. I'm sure most people who hunt, carry firearms, and enjoy the outdoors would not do something like this. Too much of this going on now days.
Sorry but I couldn't disagree with you more. Anti hunters would have just left the animal to rot, that would inflame things 100 fold more.
 
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I don't consider it poaching when some idiot shoots farm raised elk. It is like shooting a rancher's cattle. A crime? Yes? Despicable? Yes. Poaching? No.

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Legally speaking, you're off the mark. (And you are speaking legally, by using terms such as "crime" and "poaching.")

"Poaching" is the "illegal shooting, trapping, or taking of game or fish from private or public property."

Was there game taken in the instance cited above? Yes, elk. Was this instance of taking game legal? No. The game taken were privately owned and situated on posted private property. Then it was illegal. Ergo, this was indeed an instance of poaching.

Is it like shooting a rancher's cattle? Only in so much as it was an example of illegal take, and thus, a crime, as you rightly state. Shooting a rancher's cattle would not be considered poaching as cattle aren't considered game. A game animal is "any animal hunted for food or not normally domesticated. Game animals are also hunted for sport." Cattle are domesticated, obviously, and are not hunted for sport. (If they were, it's wouldn't be much of a "sport," right!?)

So, poaching? Yes.

I'll grant you that the sticky point here--and one the offenders' lawyers would conceivably exploit should they end up in court--is the question of domestication. The elk taken in this instance were domesticated. However, given that the legal definition of a game animal concerns animals "not normally domesticated," the argument may be moot. Elk, one could reasonably argue, are "not normally domesticated," leading, once again, to the conclusion that this was indeed an instance of poaching.
 

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But those elk are/were in a high fenced enclosure on a farm. Call it what you want royalaxation, it was still stupid and a crime.
 

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They are considered farm animals not game animals.

This is more a case of rustling than poaching, good thing too... as ironically I believe rustling is still a hanging offense in this state.


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According to Utah law this was rustling. Captive elk are considered the same as livestock...here ya go.

"Captive Cervidae" means a term referring to members of the family of animals which for the purposes of these rules includes captive bred Caribou (Reindeer (Rangifer tarandus)), captive bred Elk (Cervus canadensis nelsoni), and captive bred Fallow deer (Dama dama) or any other captive bred cervidae allowed with permission from the State Veterinarian and the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources.
 

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They are considered farm animals not game animals.

This is more a case of rustling than poaching, good thing too... as ironically I believe rustling is still a hanging offense in this state.

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It might be a hanging offense, but you can't hang someone--not even as a Halloween decoration in your yard. In Roy, Utah the NAACP is going after a guy for hanging a dummy in his yard. They say it reminds them of a lynching. Well, that's stupid.
 

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Others beat me to it, but they are correct. Not game animals, so it's not technically "poaching" as cited above.

Doesn't change the fact that the cuplrits should be shot.
 

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What is so odd with this article was that it originally stated that it happened in August going to the extent of even pointing out that it was on the opening weekend of archery elk hunt. Then, they post an update to the article that it actually just had happened recently in October. So, maybe it coincided with the rifle hunt??
What really strikes me as odd is that I drive by this place 2-3 times in each direction per month particularly since March. The whole fenced in area is only like 2 acres, so pretty easy to scan it all as you cruise by with the fence only being like 150' off of the road. Having moved back to Price in March I look over at this place everytime I drive by and I havent seen any elk there for several months. The front enclosure has definitely not had anything in it since June at least as there are literally millions of thistle 4' high since nothing has been in there for several months. The back enclosure is a little more difficult to see, but elk are pretty easy to spot and I havent seen anything in there for a long time. there used to be a motor home there all of the time and I havent seen it there all year. Something just smells fishy to me seeing what I have seen, almost like insurance fraud, but maybe I just didnt see them in there. And those are not 10' tall fences I believe.
 

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I went by it the Wednesday after the elk opener and didn't see any animals on the property.

Perhaps all that they had were the ones that were shot.
 
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