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I'm in for $20 Airborne challenge. Brah!!
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I’d smoke your ass at 60 yards
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No they don’t. And you know they don’t. Now if we were talking about waterfowl, that is a completely different story and I will agree with you there. But not everyone with a tag in their pocket is sending mail at every animal they see
Never mind, I found it.
Google is just a reflection of sources.
Sources like utah hunters ed and thousands of other responsible hunters that know the ethical distance for archery hunting is under 40 yards.
That being said you are the last person who should be saying anything about ETHICAL hunting Moose.
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Can you google and tell me where it says ethics are the same among all hunters? I’d also like to see where I said something was unethical? I’ve always taken a pretty hard stance on if it’s legal, I’m good with it.
I really don’t care if my 50 yard pin on my bow and willingly to use it, upsets you. I think im pretty ethical when it comes to hunting. Might not always have been the case, but in the last 10 years I’ve always done what I felt was right and stayed within the laws. If you’d like to give an example in that time frame of my lack of ethics you’re mad about, I’d be happy to discuss it with you and explain my side of it.
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So I went ahead and googled it and the first thing that came up said to practice at twice the distance you intend to shoot while hunting. By your own logic, case F-IN closed. LOL
Not sure what else to tell ya, haters gonna hate.
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I took the Google challenge from ns450f. I googled “How far for an ethical archery shot?”
The very first link:
“As a general rule of thumb both vertical bow and crossbow shooters should not take any shot at any distance further than you can keep your arrows consistently inside a six inch circle.”
It also said you should practice at greater distances than you are able to hunt to make your closer shots more accurate. It specifically says that you should be shooting double the distance in practice than you are taking kill shots in the field. The article is even entitled, “The Ethical Bow Hunting Shot” Hmmmm…..
The second link in the results was an article about unethical archery shots. Here was an interesting snippet:
“And there it is…that word with a definition as elusive as a 200-inch whitetail buck — ethics. How does anyone define ethics? The variables in any moment where ethical decisions must be made are infinite. The skill level and the personal philosophy of each participant also varies widely. I might take a 60-yard shot at a stationary caribou, but never at a brown bear. A 50-yard shot at an unsuspecting pronghorn may be doable, but if it’s looking at me and wired to explode at the sound of my bow? Not so much. We could debate 40, 50, or 60-yard shots all day long, but 100 yards?”
www.bowhunter.com
I could go on, but that is enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that “if you Google it, 40 yards is the farthest you will find,” is pure crap. The two first links in the Google search disagree with everything he’s claimed here. ns450f’s claim fails.
Signed,
A rifle hunter that doesn’t shoot much beyond 300 yards
The very first link:
“As a general rule of thumb both vertical bow and crossbow shooters should not take any shot at any distance further than you can keep your arrows consistently inside a six inch circle.”
It also said you should practice at greater distances than you are able to hunt to make your closer shots more accurate. It specifically says that you should be shooting double the distance in practice than you are taking kill shots in the field. The article is even entitled, “The Ethical Bow Hunting Shot” Hmmmm…..
The second link in the results was an article about unethical archery shots. Here was an interesting snippet:
“And there it is…that word with a definition as elusive as a 200-inch whitetail buck — ethics. How does anyone define ethics? The variables in any moment where ethical decisions must be made are infinite. The skill level and the personal philosophy of each participant also varies widely. I might take a 60-yard shot at a stationary caribou, but never at a brown bear. A 50-yard shot at an unsuspecting pronghorn may be doable, but if it’s looking at me and wired to explode at the sound of my bow? Not so much. We could debate 40, 50, or 60-yard shots all day long, but 100 yards?”
Is it Ethical to Take Long-Distance Bowhunting Shots? - Bowhunter
Taking long-distance shots at big-game animals has become acceptable, but here's why it isn't the ethical choice.
www.bowhunter.com
I could go on, but that is enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that “if you Google it, 40 yards is the farthest you will find,” is pure crap. The two first links in the Google search disagree with everything he’s claimed here. ns450f’s claim fails.
Signed,
A rifle hunter that doesn’t shoot much beyond 300 yards
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Well...it was a pretty bold one hahah
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Back when BOU was active, I took a deep dive into wounding rates and published stats and findings in the newsletter. I found a correlation between wounding rates and season lengths - the shorter the season, the higher the wounding rate. I found similar correlations on all big game archery hunts across the country with some whitetail hunts back east reaching as high has 50%. Utah muley hunts typically have around 17% wounding rate. I presume that shorter seasons pressure bowhunters to take shots that they would otherwise pass.
Utah has no data to compare compound and traditional and I've seen no comparative data elsewhere that suggests higher wounding rates with compound bows. But I'm pretty sure that if the archery seasons were shortened, wounding rates would increase and a big percentage of compound shooters would give up on bowhunting.
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Makes sense Finnegan, they've noted similar things when they shorten the rifle seasons on units, harvest rates actually go up, not down. People get in the mindset of shooting the first thing they see, because they might not get another chance.
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Not me. I've seen Moose shoot and I've shot against him on a couple occasions. The guy is gifted, no doubt.
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I guess for me it is not really a desire rooted in seeing him fail, I just like seeing a talented person perform something I cannot.
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Dude, if a hunter can drill tacks at 60 yards with his bow, does that make him unethical if Google, of all sites, says it's unethical? Come on, you know the answer to that.
Perhaps YOU are the unethical hunter beyond 40 yards?
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The claim I was putting to test was ns450f’s, not Moose’s. Although I’m here for a livestream of this little competition that’s been proposed.
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Like Mr Cake, I just want to see it done--I make no judgements upfront but it's a rarity that someone pulls through on internet trash talk--just love that credibility! I am really hoping moose follows up with this cred test--will be disappointed if it gets left unanswered
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Been to enough archery shoots to know there are some that can back up their BS. I certainly wouldn't claim to know who they all are. I personally can't see that far.
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As soon as I get my bow put back together, I’d be happy to go shoot with you one afternoon. With the setup I have in the works, I should be able to clear the housing out to 145ish. We can just shoot that distance the whole time. But I won’t claim sub MOA groups at that distance
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I shot my bow up at the Miners Peak archery range last night. (I have a little range set up at the cabin) Hadn't been able to shoot for a while.
I may have to turn her down a bit. A bit disappointed at how I shot. Will keep working on it.
I'm absolutely no threat to MM right now. 😎
Sounds like he is WAY out of my league.
I was never know for being a great target shooter. But, I taken a LOT of animals with a bow. Always kept my shots under 60 yards.
I have a dedicated poacher tag this year, so I'll get dialed back in so I can bow hunt.
I may have to turn her down a bit. A bit disappointed at how I shot. Will keep working on it.
I'm absolutely no threat to MM right now. 😎
Sounds like he is WAY out of my league.
I was never know for being a great target shooter. But, I taken a LOT of animals with a bow. Always kept my shots under 60 yards.
I have a dedicated poacher tag this year, so I'll get dialed back in so I can bow hunt.
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