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http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/environment/article64362377.html

Land should be returned to the people(sold),2% public land is too much, and public land happened by accident, I think Theodore Roosevelt and all the hard work he accomplished wouldn't call public land an "accident". A vote for Ted Cruz is a vote to sell public land and hurt hunting. Hunting is a very legitimate use of a firearm,to hurt hunting is another checkmate to take them away as well. Don't vote for this bought politician who is just a puppet of those who own him.
 

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I can see this topic getting pretty out of hand about Ted's other philosophies outside of public lands.

Just a reminder to keep it on One Eye's topic.
 

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Public Land BS is about number 20 on the list of things I'm worried about right now so I personally won't even be considering this issue when I cast my ballot. As per Bax's request, I will refrain from discussing the real, substantive issues facing our country right now.-----SS
 

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SS, I'm sure Ted Cruz will fix all those problems for you and will listen to you instead of his donors. A politician never made my life easier... But they have made it worse. This transfer would definitely make it worse, so I believe they are capable of that, I don't believe they will fix the problems in this country for anyone but those who funded their campaign.
 

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If cruz or anyone else gets in that wants to sell of public lands, I'd like to find several other like minded people and pool money and get a few thousand acres of land somewhere, sortof like the BigHorn ranch operation in Sanpete.

-DallanC
 

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Well One Eye, you seem to have done a lot of research on the subject so enlighten us as to who exactly is the best candidate for the public lands interest.

Oh, and I never said anything about voting for Cruz.--------SS
 

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If cruz or anyone else gets in that wants to sell of public lands, I'd like to find several other like minded people and pool money and get a few thousand acres of land somewhere, sortof like the BigHorn ranch operation in Sanpete.

-DallanC
I would vote for the Red Desert (Elk Area 100) Wyoming. We could get deer, antelope, and elk tags every year.
 

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Well One Eye, you seem to have done a lot of research on the subject so enlighten us as to who exactly is the best candidate for the public lands interest.

Oh, and I never said anything about voting for Cruz.--------SS
SS, from what I've gained from you is that you are a very good person who sees the crappy things going on and I understand what you're saying as far as what is facing this country. I take exception to the amount of money Cruz has taken from oil and industry and how he pushes this public land argument he understands nothing about. I don't believe any of the candidates are qualified to be our president, but Trump is the only republican candidate(the party I tend to agree with on a lot of things) who has sided with the public land remaining public. I think the most honest candidate is Bernie Sanders, but his proposals I can't agree with. I actually don't mind Kasich, but he has no chance of winning. I'm down to the fact that, they all suck and Trump is the lesser of the evils as far as republicans to public land. If Cruz gets the White House, republicans are in a perfect situation to actually carry out this disposal of public lands. Keeping a president in office on our side or democratic keeps things even with the republican dominated congress. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still a devil. I don't want to vote for any of the candidates but I know for sure Cruz is not my guy and its the perfect situation to end the legacy of public lands if he gets in.
 

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If cruz or anyone else gets in that wants to sell of public lands, I'd like to find several other like minded people and pool money and get a few thousand acres of land somewhere, sortof like the BigHorn ranch operation in Sanpete.

-DallanC
I want Delicate Arch, and a chunk of The City of Rocks.
 

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I kinda have my doubts about the Trumpster and his record on property rights. It would seem that he has a history of putting special interest above PRIVATE property rights. How much easier would it be to cast public lands aside when the 'deal' seemed right?

Not endorsing Trump either.....just throwing out a thought.

One thing that I do like about Cruz is that he lays it on the line. This is a guy who went to Iowa and openly denounced ethanol subsadies. Like it or not, he is clearly stating his perspective regarding public land allowing people an easier time in making their decision as well as providing an opportunity for those who disagree to lobby him to reconsider his position.

I feel like I understand where Ted and Bernie are. I can't make heads or tails of the rest of the pack.-----SS
 

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I tend to believe the Public Lands issue is the one item on the docket that would impact my personal life more than any other issue. The economic, social, war, foreign, etc... issues are important, but they won't touch my life the same as if 1/2 or all of the public lands are sold.

I'd wager that the lands will not be sold at a price most could afford-- rather corporations and business interests would be the major benefactors.

As for a guy like Cruz taking a stand on ethanol-- easy to do if you are receiving a check from ethanol's competition (oil). The dude is too slick for me. I am a Kasich guy, but he has no chance.
 

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If cruz or anyone else gets in that wants to sell of public lands, I'd like to find several other like minded people and pool money and get a few thousand acres of land somewhere, sortof like the BigHorn ranch operation in Sanpete.

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You can count me in.
 

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I tend to believe the Public Lands issue is the one item on the docket that would impact my personal life more than any other issue. The economic, social, war, foreign, etc... issues are important, but they won't touch my life the same as if 1/2 or all of the public lands are sold.

I'd wager that the lands will not be sold at a price most could afford-- rather corporations and business interests would be the major benefactors.

As for a guy like Cruz taking a stand on ethanol-- easy to do if you are receiving a check from ethanol's competition (oil). The dude is too slick for me. I am a Kasich guy, but he has no chance.
The land that the state sell is not over priced its acctully affordable. But the state sells off the mineral right so they are not included. It's a way for the to basically sell it twice. The oil and gas company purchases the mineral rights and then someone buys the land with a energy easement for the exploration of resources.
 

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You are right on Packout. Ted made it clear on his stance on ethanol vs oil. That makes it easy for groups of voters to make a decision. My point was that he didn't pander to the ethanol crowd while in Iowa which is against the status quo for most politicians. Kinda like Bernie coming out and talking about free college and socialism. Makes it easy to figure out if you like them or not and make your choice. I kinda appreciate the simplicity in that.----SS
 

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Well One Eye, you seem to have done a lot of research on the subject so enlighten us as to who exactly is the best candidate for the public lands interest.

Oh, and I never said anything about voting for Cruz.--------SS
can't ever find a person to vote for that you'll agree with 100%. i'd settle for one that was reasonable that i could agree with 60% of the time. too bad there's no reasonable candidates in this election.
 

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The difference between Bernie and Cruz is, Bernie believes what he's saying, Cruz believes in what he's told to believe by the funds he's received. When big money doesn't own our candidates (another issue Bernie brings up) we might actually have some decent people to choose from.
 

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Let me see if I got this right. If I vote right of center, I lose any right to hunt public land as the goal is to sell it off? If I vote left of center, I lose any right to hunt as goal is to restrict firearm possession and protect innocent critters?
 

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If you are going to vote strictly as a sportsman, it's Trump or Sanders.

Here is a bit on Trump, Mike Schoby(interviewer) is a pretty good guy. We don't agree on every thing, but he has hollered pretty loud for me in the past, so...

Trump on public lands: http://www.petersenshunting.com/conservation-politics/why-sportsmen-should-vote-for-donald-trump/

Trump has held far more liberal positions on gun control in the past. Nothing like Clinton's though.

This gives some insight as to why Trump has the stance that he does, it is mostly because of his sons Eric and Don Jr. Without them he probably would not have the stance that he does. I believe that Jr. means well, and I can handle him better than the old man.

I had one hell of a Libertarian speel thrown at me making the case for Sanders, it certainly put an interesting perspective on him. Some of the key arguments were public lands, business, and firearms, so it had my attention.

Sanders on firearms: http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-gun-policy/

Hillary's position:.......Just kidding.......-O,-
 
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I just wish it was a law to purchase the land you had to be a legal citizen of the US instead of them selling the land to China or some other country. I would hope they DO NOT sale but the politicians will do what their donors want.
 
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