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In light of the Tines up big 5 point bull thread going on now and I really didn't want to hijack that thread.
I ran across this video last month and thought it had a good message.
Although I don't think that having an "anything goes" attitude is always appropriate all the time.

I do think we discredit other hunters and their trophy far too much.
Is it getting to the point that when you kill a big buck or bull, you need to state that it was killed with a non magnum rifle with open sights, under 100 yards ,while it was bedded. Also while hunting on public ground with a general season tag .
To get any credit of being a good hunter?
What do you think?
 

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Sometimes I get so jacked up and excited when I shoot a cow on a winter hunt when I ride my horse pretty much right to it before I pull the trigger. Some on here probably dont think I'm a good or true hunter because of that. Then I hear alot about you guys who leave your truck at 2 am or midnight and hike for miles and sleep on the rocks so you will be in position at first light and I think "man!" That guy is hard core. Shane who drops a monster 5 point - at first all I see is a picture of him and the bull. My thought was dang what a bull. Didnt think more of it until I started reading all the comments. Pretty sad that some of us look down on someones success when really we are all after the same success.

My point is some people have other means to help them accomplish that goal. Some people have horses which gives them a distinct advantage, others money, and others an internal drive to hike for miles in the dark and spend weeks or months scouting. These are all specific advantages. Still others road hunt because they are lazy and are just out there hoping to get lucky and enjoy just being out with a tag in thier pocket. They shouldnt be looked down on when they drop a bruiser cuz they didnt hike for miles or saddle up a horse and pack into the wilderness. Good for them, thats the way they chose to do it and it worked out for them.

I read about ridges big deer this year several times all I could think was how hardcore he was. I thought "that guy must be 7 feet tall". That was until I met him in person. :D j/k for ya ridge I'm funny. I read about MWscott72 sleeping on the rocks under a space blanket and thought "thats a guy with a plan right there". I would love to hear the story of the big 5. I'm sure its a cool story also.

Lets all stick together here ok. We have bigger fish to fry.
 

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Well said Jake. I think you hit the nail on the head!
 

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Road hunters are lazy? Really, why all the hate man, did a road hunter take your road once? I thought this was a thread about love! I might be just a little confused. I would say a lot of people that use guides would fall in the same category as your so called lazy road hunters, they just have the means to hire people to put in the work and time for them. It is totally legal and of course all things legal are good, right? I thought the dude on the video wanted us to love everybody no matter how they hunt and what they kill.
 

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Road hunters are lazy? Really, why all the hate man, did a road hunter take your road once? I thought this was a thread about love! I might be just a little confused. I would say a lot of people that use guides would fall in the same category as your so called lazy road hunters, they just have the means to hire people to put in the work and time for them. It is totally legal and of course all things legal are good, right? I thought the dude on the video wanted us to love everybody no matter how they hunt and what they kill.
I don't think 3 Arabians said anything about hating road hunters, he said lazy, and went on to say that was their choice and if they get lucky then good for them.
 

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Some more than others.
 

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"It breaks down with the fact that you're not happy with yourself, and it rips you apart to see other people smiling."

"Hunt for your reasons, and don't worry about everyone else."

Two very true statements. Of course, when people break the law, that is different. But if everything is legal and above board, why do we insist on breaking others down? Even if I don't agree or if they did it differently than I would have, why does it matter?

All these criticisms are just stupid.
 

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"Hunt for your reasons, and don't worry about everyone else." Quote Vanilla'

Exactly:!: Nothing more needs to be said.

Dunkem love is 80 mph, wind in my face, on an old yellow Harley8) With a little Steppenwolf in my mind.*-band-*
 

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Vanilla, feeling your love too! Why so much hate, saying and assuming what other people might feel is a much better approach! Way to go buddy!
 

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One word discribes this problem of 'hate' verily well,,,

Jealousy...................
 

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Ah man.. I am not a hunter hater... But Zac does some shady stuff guys.


That said, the message is there. There needs to be more unity among hunters. At least on the general consensus that hunters should support other legal hunters at some capacity. For the love of our sport.

Imagine if the NBA didn't support the D league, college, and rec/comp(a hunter other than yourself). What if all that went away? There would be no NBA anymore. When you are a minority (hunters are) we need to stick together to a degree. Archers might hate on rifle hunters, but would be made if they all moved to archery. People hate on road hunters, but what if they all left the road and were hiking/hunting in "your spot", which would bother you more? You can't stand on both sides of the fence pissed off.

It is hard not to hate some of the laws, the wildlife board, people making ridiculous profits off our wildlife, organizations that have lost their cause, etc.... but regardless of how we feel about a rule, if a hunter is following the rules we should live and let live.
 

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Vanilla, feeling your love too! Why so much hate, saying and assuming what other people might feel is a much better approach! Way to go buddy!
I didn't preach love. I think all the criticisms are stupid. I'm happy with myself, so it is no issue for me to see other people smile. I would say "No offense intended", but I would not be speaking truthfully if I did.

Build a bridge and get over yourself, is what I say.
 

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Guys its not always about hate or jealousy, sometimes its more about ethics, I think that's where the appearance of "hate" or jealousy" is viewed. We all view things different, what Joe Blow thinks is an "ethical" hunt I do not, and we cant legislate ethics your way, my way or his way! I agree we need to stick together as hunters and be A LOT less judgmental.
 

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This is the same argument people use for high fence hunts. "Us hunters need to stick together no matter what".

Shooting a large bull on a solo hunt means more to me than having 15 people scout year round and telling me where to show up at 7am.

But to each their own.


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To me, if I see someone hiking for miles on end to get that trophy animal then they have to pack that out, it doesn't seem like fun to me. I'm young and in shape but the idea of that doesn't appeal to me. I am all for driving close then hiking a mile or two, but I wouldn't pass up a trophy that was staring me down as I was driving along the road, nor do I think that a lot of you guys would on here. If you can find a trophy animal close to a road why would you not do it? Easier pack out, easier to make sure that the meat stays good, etc. Then if you like hiking, go out and do a 5 mile hike for the heck of it another day when you don't have to lug your gear around.
 

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This goes for fishing too. Too many people are hating me for deciding that I just like to fish dry flies on creeks and streams for smallish to medium sized trout. They tell me that I am limiting myself and that I need to add to my techniques and patterns and fish lures with my fly rod.

I don't know why they hate me for narrowing down what I do and expressing the joy I find in it.

I went through all the other techniques and styles of flies. I fished large fabled waters for bigger fish. I fished nymphs a lot through the years and dabbled with streamers. But I have settled on what I find most pleasurable and exciting for me.

Don't hate me for this. And if I show up at a sportsman show with a smile and share my excitement, my patterns, my techniques, and my enthusiasm--don't hate me.
 
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