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Here's my .02...

I am a new hunter to Utah, born and raised here but all of my hunting was in Oregon before this year. I am also a trained wildlife biologist. Granted, in fisheries management but plenty of education on rangeland ecology, sampling etc... There simply isn't this sort of problem in Oregon and I think I know why.

If you pick up a free, over the counter regulation for any recent year in Oregon and compare it to Utah, it's a huge joke. In Oregon, each unit, for each animal is clearly defined, unit by unit. Any restriction for any unit or animal are completely covered. Boundaries are clearly listed. Often, the unit biologist contact information is listed and maps are available for each unit as well. In the regulation.

In Utah, it's a joke. The manual is half the size and half as thick. I ALWAYS have to call DNR for particulars about a unit. This one is spike only, for these 10 days and then closed unless draw unit... not in the reg anywhere, mind you.. Seasons overlap and aren't state wide. Hell, I still can't get the same answer FROM DNR if an archery hunter's choice tag includes cows or yearlings. I have a relative that manages to harvest 3 elk on one tag, legally and I can't find information about what tag that is or how to get it (haven't asked him, trying to do my due dilligence).

Add to this seasons that change every single year, boundaries and units that aren't mentioned in any publication and are not easily searchable and DNR staff that I've witnessed bicker amongst themselves over how to answer very direct questions that should be cut and dry...

Watching the management meetings is quite entertaining as well... beurocrats that outright ignore what the biologist recommends or completely misunderstand what they are telling them. Tabling topics only to never bring them back up and then completely changing thier stance to follow this guy or that guy who presents nothing as far as evidence or reason on their position... utterly insane. Let's make crazy regulations because they sound like they are helping the ecosystem and then auction tags to the highest bidder anyways... or better yet, let's just do what that guy said and not bring up a single common sense argument against it because politics... oh, and your time to comment on what we are discussing today was two weeks ago....

I won't lie, this state is frustrating beyond the max. I just got here and I'm seriously thinking about a move to Montana or Wyoming.

At least the people here are friendly and happy though hahaha.

Ok rant over.
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I’ve always suspected that just cuz someone has a college degree, doesn’t automatically make them smart. Thanks for confirming my suspicions
Sounds like my neighbor the last two years who keeps us updated on the true truth and why she's right! Her name is Karen!

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Three elk on one tag, legally?
Absolutely impossible to do legally.
Hate to tell you this but your relative is outright poaching two elk.
A tag must be notch dated/sexed and is clearly for one animal.
This is poaching, and the guidebook clearly lays that out 😂
 

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Three elk on one tag, legally?
Absolutely impossible to do legally.
Hate to tell you this but your relative is outright poaching two elk.
A tag must be notch dated/sexed and is clearly for one animal.
Not to play the devils advocate here, but since he’s demonstrated he struggles with basic web navigation, guide book reading and comprehension, he might be getting confused between killing 3 elk on a single tag or hunting 3 seasons for elk on the multi season tag. Either way the DWR officers can sort it out when they contact him.
 

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There are people out there that figure that if they can hunt in 3 seasons then they can shoot 3 animals.

It is scary but they are out there.
 

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I’m going to take a stab at this: you relative is not “legally” killing 3 elk on one tag. He may be telling you he is, but he’s not. 1 permit allows for 1 animal. You can legally harvest up to three elk in Utah in a year, but that would require 3 different permits. I’m not aware of any “multi-elk” permit, like we have had the double-doe tags.

Edit: should have gone to page 2 before replying. You all beat me to it!
 

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There are people out there that figure that if they can hunt in 3 seasons then they can shoot 3 animals.

It is scary but they are out there.
Yeah that is unfortunate, but true. There aren't good enough guidebooks/regs in the world to cure that stupidity.

Most of the violations are ones that are blatently in the regs already.
 
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