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"Archery Elk season to open on the third Saturday of August with a 5 day extended Limited Entry Bull Elk Archery hunt period, and a 12 day extended Any Bull Archery Elk hunt period"
(Proclamation Section R657-5-43)

The Utah Bowmen's Association would like to propose the following:

1)That the General Archery Elk Hunt and Limited Entry Elk archery hunts opening day be moved forward and open on the third Saturday of Aigust. This would then open on the same day as the General Archery Buck Deer hunt.

2)That the General Archery "Spike Bull Units" elk hunt (archery elk hunts on spike bull only units) would be a 23 day hunt period (same as current hunt period) which would then close on the 4th Sunday after opening day.

3)That the Limited Entry Archery Bull Elk unit periods be extended by 5 days to become 28 day hunt periods closing on the 4th Friday after the opening day. This would end the same day as the General Archery Buck Deer Hunt.

4)The same rules and restrictions will apply on elk harvest according to Spike Bull Units and Any Bull Units.

This proposal has no significant down side for any management group. The overall success rate for Archery Elk hunters remains relatively low. By moving the opening of the Archery Elk hunt to coincide with the Archery Buck Deer hunt opening, the general bowhunter intending to hunt both species will realize a more enjoyable hunt opportunity. The (12) day extension for Any Bull units and the (5) day extension for Archery Limited Entry bull units would greatly improve the hunt enjoyment and overall satisfaction of these hunters by eliminating the Spike bull and antlerless hunter conflicts during the last 5 days of the Limited Entry Bull Elk archery units and by allowing the Any Bull Elk hunters to hunt closer to the rut. Due to relatively low historical archery success rates, these additional days of hunting opportunity may only slightly increase the mature bull archery success rates, which would be insignificant in total. Neither of these changes would create any new conflicts in existing General season rifle, spike, muzzle loader, or any Limited Entry any weapon or muzzle loader seasons.

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weatherby25 said:
Looks good thanks for posting.
Sorry it was a week late, I forgot all about posting it. :oops: Of course you were supposed to remind me. 8)

Feedback pro/con would be great.

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I can't think of any negatives in that proposal. I would support it.

When Pro? Are you guys sending rep's to all of the RAC's?
 

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Treehugnhuntr said:
I can't think of any negatives in that proposal. I would support it.

When Pro? Are you guys sending rep's to all of the RAC's?[/quote]

We will be proposing this at the RAC's next month, not sure of all the dates, they are posted on the DWR site. We would love to have a pile of bowhunters SHOW UP and support this. Ty, the Northern RAC is November 19th in Brigham City, the Central is November 13th in Springville. I'll get the other three RAC dates posted. I plan on being at the Central and Northern RAC's.

FYI, the success rates on the LE units that issue spike tags was 13 percentage points lower than on the LE units w/o them, in 2004 and 2005, the gap was even bigger. Another 'perk' of this proposal is that those who hunt both deer and elk can now start at the same time.

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skeet4l said:
Bad idea IMO, I'll take a few to cool down before I reply.
Out with it, was has got you all hot and bothered? I truly want to know.

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jahan said:
I like it, but I would like to see the Archery Elk LE hunt pushed forward a few weeks to put it into the rut a little more. I know that would never happen, but I can wish. :D Sounds great though.
I hear ya, but we have to take baby steps. There is no way that I can see to get the season dates changed on ALL 28 LE units next month. This is a step in the right direction, one has to climb a mountain one step at a time, I believe this is a good proposal that will benefit those who draw a LE archery tag on the 15 LE units that issue spike tags. I truly can't see ANY negatives, but I am curious how others feel on this.

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PRO, sorry I didnt see this before the PM. Ill see you at one of the RACs. I like this proposal as well. Awesome.
 

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If you hurry and get it passed, then I can throw my points at my honey hole and hunt LE archery elk next year!

I'll be at the Northern RAC. I'll bring the beer and green jello.
 

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Treehugnhuntr said:
If you hurry and get it passed, then I can throw my points at my honey hole and hunt LE archery elk next year!

I'll be at the Northern RAC. I'll bring the beer and green jello.
It will get passed this year! Your honey hole is in play now. :shock:

Make it Mountain Dew and a Snickers and you will be my friend again.

Sauve300, no problem!

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"Board meeting November 29: Bucks & Bulls Proclamation & Rule; CWMU Approval: Conservation permit allocation; 2008 meeting dates approval; Hunter Education rule review.

RAC meetings: Bucks & Bulls Proclamation & Rule; CWMU Approval: 2008 meeting dates approval; Hunter Education rule review.
6 – SR – 5 P.M. – Hurricane High School – Hurricane, UT
7 – SER
8 – NER
13 – CR
19 – NR (MONDAY)"

Here are the RAC dates for November.

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So let’s make sure I understand you, if we move the archery elk hunt to the left it’ll close to the left pushing us out of what little rut we enjoy and the archery deer hunt will close a week later. Where (in the four proposals) does it state that the general any bull elk hunt will end at the same time as the deer hunt and being closer to the rut. I value my independence and prefer to archery hunt elk with other elk archers and would vote to separate the hunts rather than combine them. Should we then put the rifle Deer and the rifle Elk hunts together and so on? Maybe we should throw the muzzle in there too. There are already too many people in the field punching their hoochies and giving chase just because they’ve seen something and it’s only going to get worse. I think this would turn into a “bonus tag” so to speak just in case you run across one or the other and put hunters at odds with one another. Deer and elk hunting are two separate disciplines and should be treated as such both requiring different strategies and tactics. If the seasons are combined the overall number of hunters may decrease due to dual permits being held by one hunter but the numbers in the field would show an increase. Why would I as a resident agree to take away from the general archers choice which I can enjoy every year no questions asked (for now) and add to the limited which is driven by the luck of the draw? I don’t mean to ruffle any feathers here but I live in the north and the only reason I have gone along with the elk draws thus far is because they haven’t affected me. I hunt because I enjoy just that “hunting” and if I could do it every day I would. Yes, there are spike only hunts that are intended to give everyone a chance while the lucky chase the monsters but what’s important to me is being able to make my own choices, what, when, where and if I decide to take the shot. Did I miss where the 12 day any bull extension was noted in the four proposals listed? Hopefully I’ve misunderstood something and this is all for not.
 

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So let's make sure I understand you, if we move the archery elk hunt to the left it'll close to the left pushing us out of what little rut we enjoy and the archery deer hunt will close a week later. Where (in the four proposals) does it state that the general any bull elk hunt will end at the same time as the deer hunt and being closer to the rut. I value my independence and prefer to archery hunt elk with other elk archers and would vote to separate the hunts rather than combine them. Should we then put the rifle Deer and the rifle Elk hunts together and so on? Maybe we should throw the muzzle in there too. There are already too many people in the field punching their hoochies and giving chase just because they've seen something and it's only going to get worse. I think this would turn into a "bonus tag" so to speak just in case you run across one or the other and put hunters at odds with one another. Deer and elk hunting are two separate disciplines and should be treated as such both requiring different strategies and tactics. If the seasons are combined the overall number of hunters may decrease due to dual permits being held by one hunter but the numbers in the field would show an increase. Why would I as a resident agree to take away from the general archers choice which I can enjoy every year no questions asked (for now) and add to the limited which is driven by the luck of the draw? I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here but I live in the north and the only reason I have gone along with the elk draws thus far is because they haven't affected me. I hunt because I enjoy just that "hunting" and if I could do it every day I would. Yes, there are spike only hunts that are intended to give everyone a chance while the lucky chase the monsters but what's important to me is being able to make my own choices, what, when, where and if I decide to take the shot. Did I miss where the 12 day any bull extension was noted in the four proposals listed? Hopefully I've misunderstood something and this is all for not.
You missed the whole freakin proposal! Did you even read it? Look, it will have the deer and elk open the same day, instead of the elk opening five days later, the deer and elk are already going at the same time. The LE tag holders will get 5 days at the end of the season w/o spike hunters, meaning it will end the same time as it does NOW. FYI, the muzzy deer hunt takes place at the same time as the LE muzzy elk hunt! This does NOT "take away" from the general season hunter in any way, not sure why you say that. :?:

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Treehugnhuntr said:
If you hurry and get it passed, then I can throw my points at my honey hole and hunt LE archery elk next year!

I'll be at the Northern RAC. I'll bring the beer and green jello.
It will get passed this year! Your honey hole is in play now. :shock:

Make it Mountain Dew and a Snickers and you will be my friend again.

Sauve300, no problem!

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You got a deal. Maybe some peach city after the meeting.
 
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