[#1DEER 1-I]

It's funny that you can point to this entire breakup basically being when Rudy smacked all the microphones and didn't take covid serious... Then gave Mitchell Covid and got the league shutdown.

Granted - it could have been anybody. It was going to happen. But it wasn't, it was Rudy and it was compounded by that presser and touching the mics.


It's been a slow trainwreck ever since imo.

I think that was the breaking point, there were a few rumors floating around in the months prior to that, that their relationship was starting to get fairly strained. Then I think that happened, and it was just a good excuse to make a big deal over something, and since then, it’s just never been anything but a tolerable relationship, not really a good working relationship. To be clear, if I’m Rudy I’m totally there at this point. He’s been scapegoated and thrown under the bus a few too many times.

 

[Vanilla]

It's funny that you can point to this entire breakup basically being when Rudy smacked all the microphones and didn't take covid serious... Then gave Mitchell Covid and got the league shutdown.

Granted - it could have been anybody. It was going to happen. But it wasn't, it was Rudy and it was compounded by that presser and touching the mics.


It's been a slow trainwreck ever since imo.

The tinder had already been laid out and arranged nicely, that just seemed to be the spark that ignited what was already there. You're right that this is where it all seems to have become public, but I'm guessing this was never a good relationship.

 

[RandomElk16]

To be clear, if I’m Rudy I’m totally there at this point. He’s been scapegoated and thrown under the bus a few too many times.

If they trade DM, do you think Rudy can translate that $40M a year into some offensive baskets?

 

[Catherder]

If they trade DM, do you think Rudy can translate that $40M a year into some offensive baskets?

He would certainly get more attempts.

It's too bad that Rudy can't improve his offensive game and DM his defensive work.
I guess that is sizable part of the reason that they are in Cancun right now and the speculation meter is white hot.

 

[Vanilla]

Rudy has no offensive game outside of receiving lobs. If he doesn’t have it now, he won’t ever have it.

Interesting to see Brunson not get to the hoop at will. I thought it was impossible to hold him under 25 points?!?

 

[#1DEER 1-I]

If they trade DM, do you think Rudy can translate that $40M a year into some offensive baskets?

Rudy kind of just is what he is at this point, the truth is they should probably just trade both of them. Rudy isn’t going to progress to a point he is what will lead a team to a title, and Donovan doesn’t want to be here anymore, so there isn’t enough time or assets to make it happen with him either. It’s a pretty pathetic way for this iteration of the Jazz to end, but it just kind of is what it is now.

 

[RandomElk16]

Rudy kind of just is what he is at this point, the truth is they should probably just trade both of them. Rudy isn’t going to progress to a point he is what will lead a team to a title, and Donovan doesn’t want to be here anymore, so there isn’t enough time or assets to make it happen with him either. It’s a pretty pathetic way for this iteration of the Jazz to end, but it just kind of is what it is now.

Yeah my question was more rhetorical.

Everyone is hot to go after DM, and he has flaws... but I still don't think you can pay a center who isn't a "stretch big" (which seems to be a thing with 5's not just 4's) on O $40M and expect to do much. It seems to make sense to trade Rudy if the market is good and go ground up with the assets.

If there is one thing the Jazz do decent, it's draft.

 

[Vanilla]

It’s interesting watching this Memphis-GS game tonight. I don’t believe I ever saw the Jazz play as hard in any game this year, playoffs included, as both of these teams are playing tonight.

There are definite moments of hero ball, so PBH shouldn’t watch, but both these teams are playing HARD on both ends of the floor. You can tell they both really want it. It’s really entertaining basketball.

There are a million things we can dissect about what’s wrong with the Jazz this year, but I really think it comes down to the basic premise that they collectively didn’t want it.

 

[PBH]

There are definite moments of hero ball, so PBH shouldn’t watch...

I haven't suffered through a single NBA game since the Jazz went down. I cancelled my FuboTV service (AT&T Sportsnet) and don't have another service that carries TNT / TBS. If we are limited to Fubo next season, I may not bother then either.

Life is beautiful.

There are a million things we can dissect about what’s wrong with the Jazz this year, but I really think it comes down to the basic premise that they collectively didn’t want it.

The Jazz lost their heart, soul, identity, fight, charisma, passion, determination, and grit when Joe Ingles went down. We all knew that Joe wouldn't be around for a lot longer, but it hurt to lose him to injury. Trading him made sense -- but I wish we still had him. His presence will be missed.

Long live Joe Ingles.

 

[Catherder]

Long live Joe Ingles.

Maybe we had it wrong about who should get a National Park named after him.

 

[PBH]

Maybe we had it wrong about who should get a National Park named after him.

Park / Monument status and boundaries are fluid.

Gobert get's a Monument.

Ingles deserves something more permanent on a State level. Maybe we re-name a county for him? We have enough "Salt Lake" stuff, I propose we rename Salt Lake County to Joe Ingles County, and appoint him the Mayor of Salt Lake City.
Further, he should have a statue right next to Stockton and Malone.

 

[Catherder]

Park / Monument status and boundaries are fluid.

Gobert get's a Monument.

Ingles deserves something more permanent on a State level. Maybe we re-name a county for him? We have enough "Salt Lake" stuff, I propose we rename Salt Lake County to Joe Ingles County, and appoint him the Mayor of Salt Lake City.
Further, he should have a statue right next to Stockton and Malone.

While Joe might be a better mayor than the current one, Salt Lake County houses the State Capitol and, well, the Great Salt Lake. I think that one is unchangable. I think there are better candidates. Millard county is named after one of the most ineffectual US presidents in history and much of the county looks like the outback anyway. Garfield was shot before he did anything as president. That would be another good one to change. And how much Iron really comes from your neck of the woods? Maybe Joe would be a better Cedar City mayor than the clowns you are often complaining about?

 

[PBH]

Critical thinking -- that's what I like about Catherder.

the Great Joe Lake.
or
Ingles Lake (vs. Utah Lake). I like it.


From now on, I will refer to Joe Bush (Fish Lake, Utah) as: Joe's Bush.
I will also work on getting a picture of Joe Ingles placed on the sign at Joe's Bush.




FWIW: the iron mines are running again, and the owner is also thinking (planning) on a steel mill.

The irony with Iron County is that the maple trees (and other plants) suffer from chlorosis, due to the lack of chelated iron. All this iron, and it's unavailable to plants.


#TheGreatJoeLake

 

[PBH]

After weeks of conversations with ownership and management, Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder's future remains unclear and a possibility exists that he could decide to end his eight-year tenure with the franchise...

...discussions with owner Ryan Smith and CEO of basketball operations Danny Ainge have yet to secure the coach's return for next season ...

...Conversations have largely been centered on philosophical issues and how the sides can work together moving forward...

...sitting out a season would certainly leave him as one of the most sought-after candidates in 2023...

So, Smith buys the team, brings in Danny Ainge, and all-of-a-sudden the Jazz have a philosophically different point-of-view than Snyder?

This doesn't sound good to me. But, what do I know? I'm just a casual Jazz fan that longs for the days when our team could run a fast-break.

 

[Vanilla]

If you’re worried about the on court performance (IE- running a fast break) then maybe you should be happy these non-newsbreaking stories are coming out of ESPN.

 

[Catherder]

And Quin is off to coach San Antonio after Pop retires next year. Who is next?

 

[Vanilla]

And Quin is off to coach San Antonio after Pop retires next year. Who is next?

I can’t imagine that the list of coaches that can’t win a playoff series is short. It’s probably limitless! I’d gladly do it.

Quin is a good coach, not a great one. Let’s see Danny earn his keep!

Mitchell is reportedly “unnerved” by it. Meh. The Jazz need people that want to be here more than they need people that can’t win playoff series.

 

[Catherder]

The interweb is lighting up like a Christmas tree today with trade scenarios for both Mitchell and Gobert. Some actually sound kind of intriguing.

I guess Danny boy's "retirement" job is going to get a whole lot busier.

 

[Vanilla]

I think this is exactly why Ainge was brought in. Someone removed from the process and could clean house without any ties to any players or emotions involved.

Here is my thought process on this one, and I admit it is entirely speculative and may not be correct, but it's how I'm proceeding in my own mind.

Ryan Smith bought the team and after last season realized that this team as currently constituted would not go any farther in the playoffs than they had done. He brings in Danny Ainge to clean house because Zanik has attachments to the players he was involved with acquiring and from the front office, developing. Emotions cloud decision making, Smith needed someone detached.

I don't think Ryan Smith is the only one who sees the limits of this team. Jazz brass tried to keep Quin. They were open about that, they made a multi-year contract extension available to him. Quin simply decided he didn't want to coach THIS team anymore. There has to be a reason for that. Again, enter Ainge...to clean house.

What are the trades people are most interested in seeing happen?

 

[RandomElk16]

I don't think Quin held this team back. It's always funny to see the responses by any franchise fanbase when a player or coach leave and how they do that quick "we didn't like you anyways" response.

The Jazz have issues that are much further rooted than the coach.


That all said - it will be interesting to see how many of those roots they pick and the direction they go. There is a lot of opportunity as far as the roster goes.