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i don't mean to hijack anyones post but i find it funny that if one person says that incressing the app fee to $10 is not bad i beg to differ! everyone says try getting one in another state we are still cheaper! but what i can't figure out is why the 100% incress? what if your house payment went up 100%? just to stay in line with new york? or your car payment? go's up because people in Idaho pay more? as for me i now have to come up with alot more money in feb. just to hunt in nov. please correct me on some of the prices if you know them for 2008
4 combo permits= $120.00
4 app fees= $ 40.00
this is just to apply (no refunds for not drawing out)(don't hunt small game)
then if i draw out?
4 licencess deer = $100.00
4 licencess elk= $180.00 (antlerless)
then i have to buy everything needed to get my youngest outfitted, then there is gas to scout the area and gas to hunt then if i want to go 300 miles to hunt i eather buy a tent,drag a trailor or rent a motel? all things involved when you count them up gets exspesive!
again i am not sure of some of the prices but i think this is a good example of how just $5 can effect the hunt, if you can stop looking at it as $5 but a 100% incress in fees you will see it will effect the whole hunting community.
i might quit hunting just so my kids might have the oppertunity?
 

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You say 100% increase, I say a $5.00 increase for applying for hunts. I ask, is the company that manages the draw system supposed to lose money in order to accomadate a few that can't afford an additional FIVE DOLLARS? That won't even put two gallons of petro in your vehicle to get to your hunting spot. That is giving up a soda pop FIVE times over the course of a year. That is less that two gallons of milk costs. Anyway you look at it, it is still FIVE DOLLARS.

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this might not fit your situation all the way bossloader, but do you have to pay for all your kids hunting? Or does everyone have to put in for all same tags that you plan or want to get?
 

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Jim Karpowitz received revelation from god that the number 5 was the mark of a new era in the utah hunting world. So, don't even try to question the increase, it is the lord's will. :p :D :rotfl:

I coudn't resist when I saw it was you 3 in this thread.
 

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bossman.... you're right!
you should quit hunting imediately!



If it's a priority, you'll make it happen
I'm hoping it will weed out those who are not serious about big game hunting (including those who put in all their relatives) to increase my odds.

and hopefully it will weed out some "boonie-bashin, fat-ass-lazy, two-track-carvin, ATVers" but that is another thread in itself!

good luck!
 

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I agree. I you can not afford the $5 then you can not afford to go out and go hunting anyway!!!!!!!!

I think this is good. It will keep the ones that are Serious about hunting involved, and the ones that are just point banking out of the system!!!!
 

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Treehugnhuntr said:
I coudn't resist when I saw it was you 3 in this thread.
I just had to join in on the party!
nice of you to join also, Tree.
 

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Utah only gets the permit fee and Fallon Nev. gets the $10.

Is this correct????

I'm in aready and would be anyway.
You fence sitters hold out, I need better odds. :lol:
 

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so what you are saying is that if i don't spend $100's of dollers i am not a serious hunter? i don't put in for the "hot spots" just want to TEACH the next genaration how to be a sportsman and show them where food comes from. but i guess some of you are just so kind that all you can think of is your own exsperance's and not passing on your family traditions! and if it is ONLY $5 not a 100% incress why do we complane when taxes go up? and we have to pay $200.00 more a year on a $250.000.00 house FISH your thinking is flawed big time, if you can afford the house you can afford the taxes? tell this to those of who are on a fixed income or the people who live in huntsville and own a house but cant afford the new tax's? if you could save hundreds of dollers by buiyng a car from a dealer 2 hours away would you not drive there? money, no matter how much it is should be accounted for not just pushed aside and say it's only $5. and if you go to the rack meetings and do consevation work building bridges and foot trails in the mountains dose'nt that count as being serious about hunting? or is it just the ones that spend more money? CHET i still dont see how putting in my kids for a COW ELK hunt increases MY odds? please explane this to me because don't I have to be the one to HUNT the animal? SAGE i put all my kids in the same hunt so we can do this as a family and share the joy as a family i have 17,14,13 year olds that want to learn the sport not just the killing of a BIG TROPHY animal thats why i do it. mabey if you are a serious hunter the dwr can make a list of places that only serious deer and elk roam and charge a fee higher to hunt there then anywhere eles? oh wait my bad they already do this!!! but for the guy who just wants his kids to enjoy a hunting trip the dwr and it's members/supporters have failed!
 

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bossloader, as a father of kids that are/will be hunters, I understand where you are coming from. I think you are missing the big picture here. The DWR just lowered the cost of a general season deer tag and a general season elk tag, so if you are applying for a general season deer tag for your kids, the cost increase is NOT there. If you are putting them in for a LE hunt, for you and three kids would be an extra $20.00, if that is enough to keep you from hunting, you wouldn't be able to afford it with/without the FIVE DOLLAR application increase that goes to Fallon Nevada to help cover thier expenses. Do you expect the company to do this for free? Hunting is NOT a charity event, nor should it be. If the DWR were to recommend making hunters pay for the tag upfront, I would/will be right there with you fighting against it, but FIVE DOLLARS????

This increase has nothing to do with increasing odds of drawing, it is to help cover the expenses of the application process. I will strongly oppose any plan that proposes increasing costs simply to improve draw odds, that I promise. That would be counter-productive and shortlived improvements

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I'd happily start a new company to accept the applications and do the drawing for our udwr, and i would be able to do it at 5.oo an app. and still make money. in fact i'd gladly do it for 4.00 per . It is nothing but greed. there is no reason for this fee(sportsmans application) to increase. the whole reason for the sportsmans opportunity was to give everyone the same chance at an awesome tag. then if drawn you cover the costs of the tag and go have the time of your life. if they can't do that sportsmans drawing at 5.00 per species then i say we got the fox watching the henhouse. Yeah its only five bucks more. and i , and most others will pony up. but that don't mean its right to reach in our pockets without having a very good reason. if it was done in-house at the udwr, then i could swallow it alot easier. at least then the profits would be in our coffers and not some joe in nevada. I'd love to see an audit of the company that does the draw and see just how financially fit they are. my guess is somebody has a big house and boat and toys and loads of stuff on our dollar.
 

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Here's the thing. All of these hunts (Sportsmans tags) are TROPHY hunts, and highly coveted ones at that. LE hunts and OIL hunts are TROPHY hunts. They don't manage these animals for the meat, or so the masses can go camping witth tags, they are managed for big antlers and horns (I guess they are manged for big beaks or something for sandhills :?: ). They give away how many sportsmans permits?

The DWR lowered the prices for general season deer and elk FOR the average person that wants to do exactly as you are saying. I want all of the chances I can to hunt in decent areas for TROPHY animals (and antlerless at times) and I am willing to pay the fees involved because it is near the top of MY priority list.

I don't own a hot tub, or a sports car, or a ski boat. I own deer, elk, antelope tags because that's where my priorities are. I'm not sure what 10% of your income is bossloader, but I'd be willing to bet you could do a whole lot of great hunting if your priorities were different. I'm not saying you should change them, but it is a reality.
 

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Re: why not complain?

bossloader; you can still all go hunting together remember OTC tags are not in the draw. As for deer it is $25.00 increase that is adding yourself and the wife not hundreds as you speak of.

BTW I hate to pry in some family matters, but a couple of your kids seem old enough to pay for their own tags, if the cost is such a burden on you.

Enjoy all your future hunts together, I'm sure you will find a way to make it work out for you.
 

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If you can't afford the 'extra' FIVE DOLLAR application fee, how would you ever afford to pay for the tag if you and/or your kids drew a tag? Last I checked that is a tad bit more than FIVE DOLLARS. If FIVE DOLLARS is out of your price range, the LE tag or OIL tag will most certainly be! :roll:

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It's not the five bucks that gets me in a knot. I'd actually pay way more if needed for a great tag. its about them nickel and dimeing us to death. thats all. and i am only refering to the sportsmans tags. not the general draw. i don't care how high they make the general draw. I'm still in till death on that one.
 

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As with everything, it is only $5.....this time. Then only a $5 increase next time. I love increasing fees and taxes. Especially the kind that start out so small that you ignore them until the puddle had become a reservoir. If you think that it hurts for only a small percentage increase in your taxes every year, you probably cannot afford to live. Right?

It is amazing to see from how many diverse angles we are starting to learn socialism.
 

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I think a few of you are missing the point here. If he is just complaining about $5 then he is cheap, but I think he is talking about a bigger picture. If it turns into something bigger and we start paying more and more fees to hunt. I don't mind the fees right now, I am worried about the future and what my 4 year old will do when she wants to hunt. She loves the outdoors and can't wait to hunt.
 

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I agree, but All other states would have to fall inline as well. If Utah raised their resident app. fees to 50 bucks, and all other states were still under 10-15 dollars, there would be a huge public outcry.

There is a check and balance in this all. If it gets too expensive, we will lose thousands of applicants and the revenue will decrease. Revenue is the DWR's bottom line. They won't let that happen.
 
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