[Lone_Hunter]

I have to laugh at the idea of an aimpoint or an acog on a freaking smokepole.

 

[RandomElk16]

Using the same Pentax that hasn't left my ML for 10+ years.

Never made the multi-magnification switch

 

[Lone_Hunter]

Using the same Pentax that hasn't left my ML for 10+ years.

Never made the multi-magnification switch

Wisdom with age. I salute you sir!

Wish I never made the switch myself, I actually held out for a year or two before jumping on the bandwagon.

 

[taxidermist]

I'll be visiting the Gunsmith to have my elevated ramp sight put back on the old bolt action CVA from 1989. I can always fall back on the .54 T/C Black Mountain Mag rifle. I cast bullets (380 gr.) that shoot awesome.

 

[Vanilla]

I thought you gave up big game hunting for fishing full time?

 

[Critter]

I'll be visiting the Gunsmith to have my elevated ramp sight put back on the old bolt action CVA from 1989. I can always fall back on the .54 T/C Black Mountain Mag rifle. I cast bullets (380 gr.) that shoot awesome.

My 54 Renegade loves 430 grain maxi balls that I cast.

They don't leave holes but blow chunks out.

 

[middlefork]

I have a old gun that was gifted to me with a 1 power scope. The ease of cleaning the newer CVA will make me explore what has to happen to switch scopes. No doubt I'll be legal next year no matter what.

What a hassle to hunt a deer. Obviously there are a lot of stone cold killers out there who need to be reigned in. Too bad I'm not one.

 

[rtockstein]

For longer range peep sight shooting, some guys like the Lyman globe sight on the front with Lee shaver inserts because he has a few finer beads that allow more accurate aiming. But for low light hunting those are too hard to see and some guys really like the Williams western precision fiber optic insert for the Williams front globe. I think it's basically a 0.019 pin, like archery size. The Lee shaver inserts do not fit the Williams globe. A lot of those guys like the Williams or Lyman rear peep.

For the guys that shoot those setups really well, with real BP and a cast bullet, they say about the max they'd actually shoot at game is about 300. I think that is primarily due to wind but not sure. It could be a sighting issue.

I imagine with a decent 1x scope, you could shoot your sleek jacketed bullet with 777 or blackhorn 209 to 300 pretty easily, right?

My max is 100 using open irons. Primarily because the pan flash makes me flinch a bit. I need to get a cap gun built to see if I can extend my range at all.

I realize that's not a 1x scope recommendation at all. But there's some good options for peeps

 

[2full]

1X scopes are worthless. IMO
That's why I waited for years to put a scope on my muzzle gun. I was against scopes when they did it years ago.
I finally went ahead and did it after waiting years. I killed some big deer with open sights. Decided to make the investment as I got older.
Now I'm screwed. I'm sick of the flip flopping.
It REALLY pisses me off.

I know several of you will severally chastize me.
Don't care !!
It's totally bull that a few get to dictate.
I have to let off some steam.

 

[Vanilla]

1X scopes are worthless. IMO
That's why I waited for years to put a scope on my muzzle gun. I was against scopes when they did it years ago.
I finally went ahead and did it after waiting years. I killed some big deer with open sights. Decided to make the investment as I got older.
Now I'm screwed. I'm sick of the flip flopping.
It REALLY pisses me off.

I know several of you will severally chastize me.
Don't care !!
It's totally bull that a few get to dictate.
I have to let off some steam.

This take is actually really refreshing. You bought a scope, line it, and want to keep it. That is 100% rational to me!

And it’s nice not to hear about how impossible it is to be ethical without a scope and how all you do is wound animals without a scope. It’s almost like nobody knew how to hunt with muzzleloaders prior to 2016!

I will never be able to say you’re wrong for just saying you want to keep using a scope, because it’s entirely your prerogative to feel that way.

So many of the other arguments became so lame.

 

[Critter]

It was very interesting during the public comments.

They ranged all the way from "think of the youth hunters" to "I can't see my nose on my face" type of comments. One commenter said that he can't shoot 200 yards with open sights, well I limit myself to 150 yards on elk closer with deer.

Then there was the one person who commented about using a muzzle loader with a scope on it during the general hunts. From what he was saying it takes 15 or more minutes to reload a muzzle loader. What happened to making the first shot count? My last elk I got with a muzzle loader I got 3 bullets into him before he went down, the range was 120 yards and I was shooting with a peep sight.

Some of the other comments were just as bad.

Vanilla, did you make it up there?

 

[Ray]

I honestly just might end up doing something like this.

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[Critter]

I honestly just might end up doing something like this.

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I ordered the Williams Western Precision sight just before Turkey Day, it is sitting at the post office waiting for me to pick it up. I'm going to put it on my T/C Triumph that I use here in Colorado, so I'll see how it works.

 

[Ray]

I ordered the Williams Western Precision sight just before Turkey Day, it is sitting at the post office waiting for me to pick it up. I'm going to put it on my T/C Triumph that I use here in Colorado, so I'll see how it works.

keep me posted! I’m curious how sturdy these guys are

 

[APD]

SWFA 1-4x24 SS - Illuminated MIL-Quad DM Reticle, 30mm, .1 MIL Clicks

SWFA is an optics manufacturing specializing in rifle scopes built for tactical, hunting, and long range shooting known for quality and precision optics.

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[Ray]

SWFA 1-4x24 SS - Illuminated MIL-Quad DM Reticle, 30mm, .1 MIL Clicks

SWFA is an optics manufacturing specializing in rifle scopes built for tactical, hunting, and long range shooting known for quality and precision optics.

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I think the 1-4 magnification would make this scope illegal under the new rule set.

 

[taxidermist]

I thought you gave up big game hunting for fishing full time?

I have, just don't tell anyone.

I want to see my Grandson shoot his first buck before splitting the firearms up between all the kids. Just as well have a tag myself. Should be a slam dunk drawing a ML tag this year. From the comments, sounds like only a handful of folks will apply now. 😢 😢 🤞🤞

 

[Hunter Tom]

I am so glad that I can use a 1x scope on my muzzy. Age 78 with lenses replaced means I can not use iron sights. Great win for us old guys and others with vision problems. But if they pass the idiotic buck study provisions for my Boulder unit in witch I live, I'll be out of that hunt. That study is ill advised and will not yield any useable results but the antler restrictions are a great idea.

 

[callofthewild2]

it seems that me being pigheaded paid off for once. my Remington is still set up with open sights. i haven't put a round through it since 2020 happened but this will change next year i think. it sucks that those with scopes will have to make the change.

 

[Critter]

I heard that a investor in Vortex stocks was on the Tech. Committee and pushed for the WB to revert back to the 1x scope instead of just iron sights.

This way he is going to make a lot more money when Vortex brings our their new line of Crossfire scopes with a rangefinder and turret that Utah muzzle loader hunters will purchase like ice cream in the middle of summer. 😁