[RemingtonCountry]

keep me posted! I’m curious how sturdy these guys are

I love this setup. I had to set up a muzzleloader for Nevada last year, and opted for the Accura LR-X with the Williams Precision Peep and Globe sight. I shot the thing pretty much every weekend from January until the hunt, and was able to drop a Pronghorn at 350 with it. Once again, I shot this muzzleloader more than some of my rifles, and knew my aimpoints like the back of my hand. Shot was great, bullet worked perfectly, I have the exact same confidence out to that distance with that gun as I do my Paramount.

 

[NH Hunter]

I wish they would've passed this last year. It would've saved me $300 for that new Leopold Freedom 3 X 9 MZ scope that I bought last fall. I could've dropped my bull with open sights, no problem. Only thing that might have messed that up would've been a twig or something between me and him. That's where I really find scopes helpful when dealing with shorter range shots. I've bagged a couple nice branches while deer hunting with open sights. I have a Vortex 3X illuminated prism scope on my 350 Legend deer rifle. That would be a good option in a 1X scope. It's nice that you can see the reticle even with the illumination shut off.

 

[Isuckathunting]

I love this setup. I had to set up a muzzleloader for Nevada last year, and opted for the Accura LR-X with the Williams Precision Peep and Globe sight. I shot the thing pretty much every weekend from January until the hunt, and was able to drop a Pronghorn at 350 with it. Once again, I shot this muzzleloader more than some of my rifles, and knew my aimpoints like the back of my hand. Shot was great, bullet worked perfectly, I have the exact same confidence out to that distance with that gun as I do my Paramount.

What bullets and powder were you using? I'm going this route for my sights. I had been wanting to set something up to be Colorado legal anyways so now I'll just have one muzzy for everything.

 

[RemingtonCountry]

What bullets and powder were you using? I'm going this route for my sights. I had been wanting to set something up to be Colorado legal anyways so now I'll just have one muzzy for everything.

.50 cal
Max load of BH209 (84 gr by weight)
330 gr PB ELR (.312 BC)

 

[Lone_Hunter]

Gonna toss out a word of caution with Williams WGRS peep sight and front sights. I don't know if they've fixed it in their product line, but I had some issues with them. I probably should have mounted the rear peep halfway up the barrel where the factory sight was, but I have this love of having a longer sight radius, and mounted it back where the scope mount screws are nearest the breach plug. Now, the issue I encountered was maxing the elevation out on the peep, I wasn't hitting where I wanted for a 100 yard zero. I forget if it was high or low, this was years ago. I do remember I had to get a lower front sight post in order to get it to work, and had want of shims for the rear peep. (edit: This was on an Optima V2)

ALSO, if you go to williams website, and you own one of the newer Accura lines (MRX and LRX, and yep, I'm in this boat), pay attention to the descriptions on some of the products there. If you read it carefully it looks like those issues are still present. ALSO, the barrel profile on MRX and LRX 's is different from your standard accura, in relation to your front sight post. Your gonna have to do some sanding.

Ive been staring hard at going back to those, but I might opt for a 1X prism scope, and just skip the entire headache. Just sayin'.

 

[Critter]

I just picked up my Williams Precision Muzzle loader sight and it will fit on both of my in lines. I hadn't noticed it before but my CVA Accura is already tapped for a front sight, so if any of you are wondering you should check to see if yours is already for a front sight.

The sight came with three different size screws for the front sight and a quick check and I had the proper screw. But this sight isn't going on the Accura.

I checked the front sight on the barrel of my T/C Triumph and it fits nicely. I'll have to get my screwdrivers and allen wrenches out come next year and get to work installing it, that is unless I decided to use that muzzle loader down in Arizona come February for my javelina hunt instead of a pistol.

Decisions, decisions......

 

[Irish Lad]

I ordered one of these this morning. It already shipped. Hopefully it works out. If not I'll put it on a mini 14.

Welcome to A&A Optics Inc - Certified Vortex Dealer

 

[copple2]

I heard that a investor in Vortex stocks was on the Tech. Committee and pushed for the WB to revert back to the 1x scope instead of just iron sights.

This way he is going to make a lot more money when Vortex brings our their new line of Crossfire scopes with a rangefinder and turret that Utah muzzle loader hunters will purchase like ice cream in the middle of summer. 😁

Too bad Vortex is family owned and has no "investors". I didn't see one Hamilton family member on the tech committee.

 

[Critter]

Too bad Vortex is family owned and has no "investors". I didn't see one Hamilton family member on the tech committee.

And you can't understand a joke?

 

[Lone_Hunter]

Alright, well ive been racking my brain over this for awhile. So I'll tell you my train of thought and what I ultimately did.

After going over reticles of available 1X prism scopes, i decided none of them would work for me in particular. All of them are for AR's but i figure maybe I could, with some range time, find one that has elevation holdovers, and then figure out what range each holdover would be with my standard loading. The closest I could find that was useable, was from primary arms. I looked in a lot of places too. , so I've just written off prism scopes.

That said, aging eyes is a thought, so bear with me.

And I've been researching open sights for awhile. On that note, there is A LOT I keep close to the chest, so I wasn't about to open my yap until I made a decision, and made the order, cause I figure they are gonna go fast.

Rear peep, this I think is a new release from williams, read it VERY carefully. (I'm running an accura MR-X)

Ecommerce

shop.williamsgunsight.com

I kid you not, it just became available like.... yesterday, and midway just got it in TODAY, I had a product arrival notification. I've had my eye on this rear peep for over a week.

Williams Fool Proof Rear Peep Sight CVA Accura

The Williams "Fool Proof" (FP) sight has internal micrometer adjustments with positive internal locks. The FP Receiver Sight is strong,...

www.midwayusa.com

Now my hope with this sight, is I can raise the elevation on the fly, as needed, i'll need to figure out which elevation adjustments bring me out to what yardage. So there's my BDC, not that I expect to hit anything too far away, but I like to have the option.

But with aging eyes, I went with this front sight: (select "Front globe only")

Ecommerce

shop.williamsgunsight.com

Again, READ very carefully.

Now with this front sight, I bought it at muzzleloaders.com since midway didn't have it.

Williams™ Western Precision Muzzleloader Globe Sight w/ Fiber Optic Insert - Front Sight Only - 618190Default Title

Williams® Fiber Optic Insert Front Globe Western Precision Muzzleloading Sight - 618190 - Fits most modern inline muzzleloading rifle brands including CVA, Traditions, T/C & Knight. Best Prices, Fast Shipping & Expert Advice!

muzzle-loaders.com

The bead is 0.30, so i guess we'll see how fine it is. But, being it's a williams globe sight, you can still run the crosshairs in it if you wanted to. I suspect I won't be able to see them, hence why I went with the fiber optic globe sight. Though I realize they tend to be big.

As to my last post highlighting the past problems, I suspect I'll be sanding. If you read the reviews for the front globe sight on muzzeloaders.com, there's a guy who explains how he fixed the issue for himself. I figure, combined with the (I assume) extra elevation adjustments from the rear sight, we should be good to go.

If this helps, your welcome.

 

[RemingtonCountry]

The bead is 0.30, so i guess we'll see how fine it is. But, being it's a williams globe sight, you can still run the crosshairs in it if you wanted to. I suspect I won't be able to see them, hence why I went with the fiber optic globe sight. Though I realize they tend to be big.

As to my last post highlighting the past problems, I suspect I'll be sanding. If you read the reviews for the front globe sight on muzzeloaders.com, there's a guy who explains how he fixed the issue for himself. I figure, combined with the (I assume) extra elevation adjustments from the rear sight, we should be good to go.

If this helps, your welcome.

I wonder if you can change out the fiber optic, or how hard it would be. On my archery sights, anything past 60 yards, I like the .010 option. I feel like .02 and .03 options cover too much of the animal that much further out.

 

[copple2]

And you can't understand a joke?

Who said I didn't?? Calm down big guy.

 

[Lone_Hunter]

I wonder if you can change out the fiber optic, or how hard it would be. On my archery sights, anything past 60 yards, I like the .010 option. I feel like .02 and .03 options cover too much of the animal that much further out.

Good question. With those front sights, you can buy another fiber optic insert to monkey around, just in case you mess up, you'd still have the original.

 

[APD]

I think the 1-4 magnification would make this scope illegal under the new rule set.

Yes, just my idea of what should be allowed. Maybe you can pin the magnification to 1x to make it legal. Similar to pinning a suppressor on an SBR to save the $200 tax stamp.

 

[taxidermist]

I wonder if you can change out the fiber optic, or how hard it would be. On my archery sights, anything past 60 yards, I like the .010 option. I feel like .02 and .03 options cover too much of the animal that much further out.

Anyone that has or does use open sights the proper way, understands that the front blade size doesn't make a difference. The blade (front sight) should never cover the intended target. But reading that you've killed antelope at 300+ yards with open sights, I'm sure you're aware of that.

 

[Lone_Hunter]

Anyone that has or does use open sights the proper way, understands that the front blade size doesn't make a difference. The blade (front sight) should never cover the intended target. But reading that you've killed antelope at 300+ yards with open sights, I'm sure you're aware of that.

If one was to draw an imaginary crosshair through the rear peep sight, then the top of the front sight post should intersect or be flush with the horizontal line within that peep sight. Speaking of my own shortcomings, I find this is MUCH easier to do with a traditional front sight post. To put it another way for visualization purposes, when I enlisted in 92, it's how we were trained to shoot M16A2's. The front sight post was square, had distinct edges, and within your sight picture went from the bottom of the peep upward, so putting the top of the front sight post in line with this imaginary crosshair inside the peep was more natural.

Then many, many years later, along comes fiber optics. They tend to be round, and seemingly float in mid air within the rear peep sight due to the color contrast. So what's the natural inclination? Treating it like a red dot. Personally, I find it very hard to fight that inclination. This is really a training issue when you get down to it.

This also plays into having elevation issues with the rear sight.

 

[taxidermist]

I have a couple red dots that I used on the .45 ML prior to variable scopes becoming legal. I did kill deer, but I don't like the variable brightness of the dot, and if you forget to turn it off, the battery dies.
Even with having to use readers, I'd rather use an open sight system.

 

[RemingtonCountry]

Anyone that has or does use open sights the proper way, understands that the front blade size doesn't make a difference. The blade (front sight) should never cover the intended target. But reading that you've killed antelope at 300+ yards with open sights, I'm sure you're aware of that.

Correct. That's why I use a globe sight with crosshairs, so I can see my holdover and exact impact/aim point.

 

[Ray]

Correct. That's why I use a globe sight with crosshairs, so I can see my holdover and exact impact/aim point.

what is that front globe made out of? I need something robust because I’m a glutton for punishment and always find myself hiking into the most hellish spots I can find. Because of this, my muzzleloader might take some beating, nothing to sever but the occasional fall.
Does it feel cheap, or like it will break easily?

 

[toasty]

I just picked up a lyman globe and williams ghost ring for my cva optima v2. On my other optima V2, I am going to run a burris fastfire red dot that I have used on some turkey shotguns for my kids. Going to test them side by side and have my kids do the same and determine which is most accurate at 100 yards for me with crappy vision and my kids. I had a 1x sightron scope on my muzzie back before we could do magnified and did not like it. I always felt like I could shoot my open sights better. My kids however, shot the 1x better than open sights. Not interested in doing the 1x scope thing again, I think there are better options.