[Critter]

I was about to be really irritated with go hunt, but then I had a sneaking suspicion that I was just a dumbass that wasn’t looking at the data correctly. I went back for another look and sure enough, I was looking at resident draw odds, not nonresident. 🙄

5 points for a resident gs deer tag? Yep, the good old days are in the rear view mirror.

There are a lot of units where you can draw with less and a couple that you can draw with 0. But those 0 point draw units for the general season are full of private property or access problems.

 

[colorcountrygunner]

There are a lot of units where you can draw with less and a couple that you can draw with 0. But those 0 point draw units for the general season are full of private property or access problems.

Muzzleloader tags have much better odds than rifle on most units as well. I know bow hunting isn’t for everybody, but I’m surprised more people don’t at least take up muzzleloader for more opportunities. I’m glad they don’t though, because that leaves more opportunity for people who like to hunt with a muzzleloader. If some folks are content to hunt gs deer only a couple times per decade to use a rifle, more power to them.

 

[Critter]

It was my personal feeling that a lot of rifle hunters swapped over to muzzle loader when they allowed multi power scopes, I know of a few hunters who did. Now that they dropped the magnification back down to 1x they dropped out of the muzzle loader game.

It just comes down to if you want to hunt there is a way. You might have to change you choice of weapons but there are ways out there to draw a tag.

 

[Ray]

16 points divided 3 ways and rounded down is 5 points.

So he is limited in the units that they might possibly draw in.

16 points divided 2 ways is 8 points 3 points better than with 3 applicants and increases the units where they can hunt if he wants to mentor one of his boys on his tag.

Ahh, I thought it was averaged out between the highest point holder and lowest, I didn’t know they average across how many are in the party.

To the OP, what are the odds for non-res muzzleloader on the mentioned units?

 

[Critter]

Ahh, I thought it was averaged out between the highest point holder and lowest, I didn’t know they average across how many are in the party.

To the OP, what are the odds for non-res muzzleloader on the mentioned units?

Points are averaged and then rounded down on a group application.

 

[colorcountrygunner]

Ahh, I thought it was averaged out between the highest point holder and lowest, I didn’t know they average across how many are in the party.

To the OP, what are the odds for non-res muzzleloader on the mentioned units?

With the 5 points their group would have, the predictive odds shown by gohunt are 25 percent for Mt. Dutton, 71 percent for Panguitch, and 100 percent for Pine Valley, with Dutton and Panguitch both having 41 percent success rates and PV showing a 32 percent success rate.

 

[Critter]

To the OP, what are the odds for non-res muzzleloader on the mentioned units?

Points for muzzle loader last year are:

Dutton 5
Pine Valley 6
Panguitich Lake 5
Fishlake 4

 

[MWScott72]

Muzzleloader tags have much better odds than rifle on most units as well. I know bow hunting isn’t for everybody, but I’m surprised more people don’t at least take up muzzleloader for more opportunities. I’m glad they don’t though, because that leaves more opportunity for people who like to hunt with a muzzleloader. If some folks are content to hunt gs deer only a couple times per decade to use a rifle, more power to them.

CCG - Shhhhhhh!! What are you trying to do here? 🙄😉

 

[middlefork]

CCG - Shhhhhhh!! What are you trying to do here? 🙄😉

He's just dreaming.

It's almost ludicrous that anybody thinks any type of weapon change is going to improve draw odds. I doubt there will be any noticeable difference in applicants for muzzy with the rule change. Much less archery or any weapon.

I guess we will see when the results comes out.

 

[byuduckhunter]

I think we will be postponing this hunt until next year. Thank you all for the responses. I do agree that muzzy odds will probably be improving as hunters shift away from them after scope restrictions have changed. Thanks!

 

[ns450f]

I don’t think you need to do the mentor bit. All of you should have tags if you put in
For the Dutton, even if one of your sons has zero points. Put in as a group.

I’ve seen nice bucks on the Dutton while chasing elk, they are in there. Hell, I’ll even drop you a few spots if you draw it.

I agree, with access to pack animals and a willingness to get into some remote country the Dutton could be awesome. I know there are some giant bucks on that unit and some really.gppd habitat from some older fires.

 

[byuduckhunter]

I agree, with access to pack animals and a willingness to get into some remote country the Dutton could be awesome. I know there are some giant bucks on that unit and some really.gppd habitat from some older fires.

Do you think early or late rifle would be better? I ended up just getting another point this year. Maybe we'll plan for next year.

 

[ns450f]

Do you think early or late rifle would be better? I ended up just getting another point this year. Maybe we'll plan for next year.

I personally will always choose the late rifle over the early. My thought is every day later in the year is one extra day for the bucks to show up around the does.

On the unit I have hunted the most in utah we usually start seeing bucks show up the last 1 or 2 days of the rifle hunt. On that unit the bucks kind of disappear for most of October as they are moving from summer range to winter rutting range.

 

[Critter]

Now that you have decided to put in next year rather than this year I'll suggest that you make up your mind this summer.

Then this coming fall head down to the unit of your choice for the season that you are looking at or even one of the others and take a look around. See where the does and buck are located at, check out the roads and the area that you might pack into. It doesn't have to be a full blown week long trip but just a few days so you can see just what is happening.

Granted it can all change next year depending on the weather but at least you'll have a idea.